NYT: No Evidence Al-Qaeda Was Involved In Benghazi

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    Democrats who have seen classified intel about the attacks also agree the NYT is wrong and that there is solid evidence that Al Qaeda was involved.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...is-evidence-linking-al-qaeda-to-benghazi.html
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    While I believe others have provided links (with quotes from both R and D congressmen on the Intelligence Committee that suggest the NYT claim was erroneous); do you concede the possibility that the evidence that would link the attacks to AQ might still be classified and, if so, neither the NYT or any other outlet wouldn't necessarily be able to quote official sources and/or identify with specifics the known details?
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    Giving Issa's propensity to leak specifics in the Benghazi case, I would have thought that some specifics on any direct al-Qaeda involvement would have been available to the public by now.
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    please... how many leaks has this clown allowed to happen. The one that really pissed me off was the Seal-team 6 leak... And there were several others of military importance like the stuxnet leak... That was as stupid as it gets.
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    Issa is all about politics... truth be damned.
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    Lol... tell that to the liar-in-thief...
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    Exactly. It's already come out that the Obama Administration provided access to high-level national security personnel to the NYT reporter who was doing the Stuxnet story (including an interview with Hillary), so the NYT being responsible for what essentially amounts to a fluff-piece for Obama shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

    It's like reading a Franz-article on the main board and being shocked that it's openly pro-Gator.
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    If Issa had some hard info on al-Qaeda being involved you can bet he would have made sure that the public found out about it.
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    ...you do realize that if the information is classified at a certain level and he discloses it anyway, he could be subject to federal charges--and, at a minimum, lose his security clearance, right?
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    Not a fluff piece by any stretch of the imagination, unless talking to people involved over in Libya now counts as fluff, and I don't think that is true.
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    I guess you have more faith in the NYT as an unbiased media source than I do. We already know that the Obama Administration worked with the NYT once before to leak a favorable story--giving them exclusive access to national security people before the Stuxnet report was leaked through the Times--and personally, I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what happened here.

    Only in this instance, the NYT report is already being contradicted by other media outlets...and by sitting Congressional representatives from both parties who are members of the Intelligence Committee. Just because a couple of people in Libya say one thing doesn't mean it's the full version of the story.
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    Never stopped him before. Anyways, if there was some reliable info on al-Qaeda's involvement as SOP the public would have been informed in this matter. Too much controversy to not allow such info made public. Another words, they don't have anything and the NYT article is true.
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    So you can say conclusively, without a doubt, that he's leaked classified at the highest levels information before?

    Examples?

    ...and why wasn't he charged after doing this? You trying to tell me that you have a senior Republican lawmaker breaking the law for partisan gain...and no one in the Obama Administration has bothered to say a peep about it and Holder hasn't thrown the book at him?

    chomp, it's 7:40 man. Pace yourself on whatever NYE celebrations you're obviously partaking in..
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    At worst, Obama was hesitant to call it terrorism but I tend to think that in their effort to really try to sink Obama with something that would be really damning, they keep missing or avoiding the fact that funding to the embassy had been cut. But this might be because congress--a republican controlled congress--has a role in not providing additional monies.
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    How about letting everyone know about the CIA enclave. He should have been hung out to dry for that one.

    FYI...I don't do alcohol or drugs. Anyway, my logic is too much for your partisan brain.
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    I've never really been too involved with the obsessive attempts by most Republicans to "get" Obama regarding Benghazi, but you hit the nail on the head here: Obama hesitated at a time when a strong leader can't be hesitating or pointing the finger at places it doesn't belong.

    The evidence quite clearly shows this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated terrorist attack, not a "spontaneous demonstration." Whether or not AQ was involved, to be honest, is not really even the issue for me. It's Obama's continued fumbling on this pretty serious issue facing our country.
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    Why should other governmental actors claims be accepted at face value? You don't think those on the intelligence committee might not just be cya-ing by trying to deflect?

    As for the NYT. As far as news organizations go, yep one of the best and one of the most self-reflective of their organizational flaws. Do I think they are bias free? Not a chance. No person, no organization is or even can be. But I do think their hard news is some of the best there is--and journalists like Kirkpatrick embody some of the best in journalism. That said, none of us really know what the full truth is--and it is harder to tell given major screw-ups like the 60 minute disaster. Yet, like I said, if Issa really had anything that was damning it would have come out already. Anything that is classified is likely not damning of Obama per se, but would expose our covert operations, something that congressional oversight committees would be implicated in as well.
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    Well, check whatever water you're imbibing because something is not adding up.

    Do you know for a fact that that little nugget of info was classified? I'd love to see an article backing that claim up...or are you just assuming it was classified?
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    I'm sure you must have been just as incensed over the other attack that I listed on this thread. For your convenience, here's the list again:

    The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they’re being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

    January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

    June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

    October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

    February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

    May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

    July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

    December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

    March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

    September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

    January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

    March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

    July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

    September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had beenmarried for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

    http://thedailybanter.com/2013/05/1...-on-bushs-watch-without-a-peep-from-fox-news/
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    I said it on TH back then and I still believe it now, I had no problem with Obama not calling it terrorism right away. It might have been pre-planned, but there's a lot of gray area on what that exactly means. We have enough of people jumping the guns and making claims that eventually have to be walked back. And when Obama was interviewed in the rose garden, that following mon or tues, it was clear he was deliberate in avoiding calling it terrorism and gave some explanation. That to me isn't bad leadership at all. I see it as prudent. And if this were a pub leader, I'd honestly say the same thing.
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