Numbers don't lie

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    Oh, I imagine I've missed a few here and there. ;)
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    We should just ignore the immediate comment after the op by gatordowneast... ;)
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    And liar's go to Hell. And that's a fact...Jack....unless.....

    "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
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    And your position on abortion is.......?
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    did i miss it? is this an abortion thread?
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    hey mb, why don't we just turn all the threads on the first page into abortion threads and benghazi threads!!!!
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    Apparently you weren't aware there are many Christians - devoted to the cause of Christ - who also find their political allegiances on the left. As they identify both as Christian and liberal, they would no doubt find your assumption not "very cool," but ignorant and offensive.

    http://sojo.net/ is one such ministry. Founded by Jim Wallis and other seminarians when they were attending Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, its web site banner declares it is "Faith in action for Social Justice."

    Though Wallis is a liberal/progressive/Democrat or whatever you might choose to label him - he is first and foremost a Christian who also believes "Christianity, and especially evangelicalism, has been exploited by both right-wing and left-wing political movements and become too partisan and politicized."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-Letter_Christian

    I wholeheartedly agree with him on that point.

    Evangelical pastor Tony Campolo, who along with Wallis founded Red Letter Christians, self identifies as a Democrat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Campolo

    Chris Hedges is a journalist who has written a number of books I highly recommend. He is an iconoclast, an independent thinker and as such I would not label him a liberal or a leftist, but he is decidedly critical of right wing Christianity. He is a graduate of Harvard divinity but chose journalism as a career rather than be ordained. He has debated both Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. Those debates can be found on line via google.

    http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/15438.Chris_Hedges

    http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/portraits/chris-hedges

    http://communities.washingtontimes....sep/27/chris-hedges-fall-american-liberalism/

    http://www.ucobserver.org/interviews/2013/01/interview_chris_hedges/
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    The video in the OP is whimsical, amusing, and provokes a degree of self reflection. It is not scripture. It is not sacred. It falls into the same category as the line "walking into a garage doesn't make one a car any more than walking into a church makes one a Christian."

    It's a mistake to give the video more importance than it deserves.
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    Just wondering? You brought up you were a practicing Catholic. Being liberal do you live your faith?

    Edit: With regards to abortion. I will refer you to scripture where a pregnant Mary visits a pregnant Elizabeth.
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    Rather than hijack this thread, why not start a new one specifically designated to asking Catholics or other Christians if they fully believe all their churches' doctrines and faithfully practice their tenets without reservation?
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    what's that got to do with this thread? you guys just have no standards. knock it off. you ask me on every thread about that. i said 'pro CHOICE' which isn't pro abortion.
    don't ask me again on a non-abortion thread.
    end of discussion.
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    when i brought up my faith it was only to illustrate how people can disparage other's faith. it was in keeping with what was being discussed.
    then you go and drop the 'german/pearl harbor' thing (i don't care, i'm just confused there) when i mention that you have a tendency to turn every thread into an ab thread. even jerz quit doing that.
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    a which of the 41k branch's of Christian are you?...by the way if Jesus was alive today...he wouldn't be a Christian...
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    If I did on another thread I don't recall. Sorry I touched a nerve. Gave you kudos for being a liberal and a Christian. Can't think of another on Too Hot. Can understand a Christian having liberal POV's with the exception of social issues.
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    atta boy.
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    like lacuna said: conservatives don't own christianity. i find it annoying that they think they do, and i find it annoying when they engage in behavior i feel is 'un-christian', the same as you do, only probably behavior i find 'un-christian' is not gonna jive with behavior that you find 'un-christian'.

    it 'touches a nerve' when it comes up on threads that have nothing to do with it. it also touches a nerve when people badger me for an opinion/belief that i've already stated enough times.

    you wanna know how i live with that? commandment is: thou shalt not kill.
    'thou' being the key word. i don't shoot people over popcorn. seems that should be harder to reconcile with one's faith.
    i have never killed anyone, nor will i. my hands are clean.
    however, i will NOT force my views on someone else. they have to face whatever consequences there are to any action.
    i would ask 'how do you reconcile' with the death penalty?
    and you could answer the same way. you're not the one doing it.
    and that, my friend, is my last word on that subject.
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    If I can hijack so thou you mayest. Glad you asked about the death penalty. Here's biblical support.

    Genesis 9:6 ESV /
    “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

    Exodus 21:12 ESV /
    “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.

    Exodus 21:23-25 ESV /
    But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
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    Seems the snow is melting in Ky.

    Peace.:oops:
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    like so many biblical anomalies, those don't jive with 'thou shalt not kill'.
    and i'm sticking with that.
    peace.
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    More accurately translated "Thou shalt not murder". What would you do if somebody attempted to kill your children and you had a gun? Would you stand by or protect your children?

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