North Carolina governor signs voter ID law

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    I wonder if anyone will complain as much if you will need a proper picture ID to sign up for obamacare??
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    as has been noted more than once, the issue in North Carolina is not simply the ID.
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    Good, I think more math and science would be a better path to prosperity for these youngsters.
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    right. Civics, what a pointless thing to teach.
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    It is not nearly as important as math and science.

    I thought you Global Warming crowd types loved science?
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    I know. I live here and agree pretty much with what the Governor signed.

    Pretty much all I have seen from you is bitching about the voter ID law though.
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    actually, if you read the thread, I've just just as much problem with cutting back early voting, eliminating same day registration, pre-registration in the high school civics class ... but conservatives here keep steering it back to ID, pretending it's not part of a much bigger efforts.
    Fact is that there is very little voter fraud of any kind. But what there is is much more likely to come from absentee voting than in-person fraud. None from early voting or same day registration.
    Fact is also that Republicans vote absentee more often than Democrats while Democrats vote early more often than Republicans.
    So, naturally, it only makes sense to cut back on early voting, make it easier to vote absentee ... I mean, we've got to cut out the fraud, right?
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    Fraud is one of the first step that these Liberals need to obfuscate their true intentions to "fundamentally change" America into the socialist bastion that Obama is pushing. Holder is already going after his enemies like the S& P for downgrading the U.S credit rating.

    The Liberals know that they need to steal votes to win in key states like NC, and that's why the Liberals are up in arms about laws that slow-down their voter fraud.
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    I can tell you first hand there is a LOT of voter fraud committed. I had a politician tell me exactly how its done, and it involves early voting, buses and sample ballots. If you don't vote for who he wants, you don't get a ride to the polls or invited to the post election picnic.
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    Why aren't either of them capable of taking care of this OR enlisting the aid they need? There are plenty of volunteer organizations to help the elderly. But can you come up with any more overly sympathy inducing victims? Maybe you could come up with a 92 year old widow who lost an eye fighting in WWII and returned home to the U.S. only to be run over by a streetcar and while recovering from her injuries in the hospital, she contracted typhoid, thus causing her to have a stroke. There's got to be that victim out there for the liberal spin machine to latch on to.

    Truth is, most people who are fighting the ID requirement are perfectly capable, physically and financially to get an ID.
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    Anecdotal evidence is awesome.
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    I'm all for requiring an ID to vote. To me it is entirely logical. The rest of the crap in the law shows the true motivation for the law.

    Again, just enact the ID requirement and forget the rest of that nonsense and the law should survive judicial review.
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    Because it isn't about an ID, it is about making sure that at the critical moment, any person can give any name and receive a ballot. And, always fight against cleaning voter rolls, so that there is no assurance that someone who changed addresses was removed from one roll when added to another and any other number of obvious ways that duplications and errors can occur.

    Qui bono?
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    I think we still have to look at how much is actually found, especially with how hard Republicans have been looking for it. Isn't that why Bush fired those US attorneys, because they couldn't find voter fraud?
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    Just for argument's sake -- a team of eager beaver undergrads research for people in a polling district who are highly unlikely voters who are nonetheless registered. They go to the polling place bright and early, give a name, get a ballot, and vote it. No ID was checked, no video was taken, and poll workers, seeing hundreds or thousands of people, especially if you include early voting, could never identify them anyway, and there is no photo record to compare to even a full audit of photos of every registered voter.

    How do you suppose there even *could* be data spotting that? The only way, literally the only way, to even know such a thing had happened would be if they stumbled upon an unlikely voter who actually tried to vote, was turned away, and actually made a stink about it instead of, for instance, just being frustrated at the stupid mistake.

    It is actually a pretty damn perfect crime... except for how it would be exceptionally more difficult with a photo ID requirement and all but impossible if coupled with effective and common sense management of voter rolls.

    Qui bono?
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    How many other laws do we need to pass for crimes that can't be proven?

    The Tooth Fairy registration act? How about the Santa Claus trespassing statute?
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    Fact is, there is ZERO discrimination to vote. Blacks have outvoted whites in NC in the last two elections.

    There is nothing wrong in demanding an ID. There is nothing wrong in cutting back the amount of voting time one week. There is nothing wrong in preventing high schools from registering voters. There is nothing wrong in stopping same day voting registration. All of these past ploys are meant to increase DEMOCRAT voting.

    Quit whining.

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    Indeed. All the "evidence" that is presented to explain why showing ID is detrimental to voting rights is...at best....anecdotal.

    The facts certainly do not support that point of view.
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