North Carolina governor signs voter ID law

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    The deadlines have never really been arbitrary, registration deadlines for an election have always been for the same reason that there are registration deadlines for summer camp or a convention or most other things that require a lot of logistical planning and information security. To make sure there are no duplicates in the rolls as a result of changed addresses or party changes, etc, etc.

    The crazy notion that there should be a manageable list of who may vote that also assures nobody has an opportunity to vote twice intentionally or by accident. It's not arbitrary for a state to say that will be best accomplished by closing registration, say, 30 days before an election.
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    Of course they have to have a deadline for operational reasons....

    Why would you block pre-election registration when the voter will be 18 on election day & has the required ID to show their actually age on election day?

    Why block any registration that can be verified by the ID requirements?


    Obviously the state is capable of verifying some number of registration on short order....they do it now on the day of the election.


    The GOP showed no evidence that voter fraud had occurred on same day registrations

    With the new ID requirements....


    What's the justification to this denial of voting rights?
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    Or else very very smart to the crap that is going on by the liberal dem party
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    what crap is that?
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    Why voting for non-republican candidates, of course.
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    Reach much?
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    of course. that must be stopped.
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    What's the reach?

    That's part of the law they enacted.
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    If the implementation of the law actually blocked pre-registration by voters who would be 18 years of age on the day of the election but not at the registration cut off date, there would be a pretty good argument that it violates the Twenty Sixth Amendment.

    Put more precisely, to the degree the act as implemented created a situation whereby it was actually impossible for voters who are constitutionally eligible to vote in a given election to register to vote in that election, there would be a strong argument that the act abridged the franchise given to eighteen year olds under the Twenty Sixth Amendment.

    So while I don't know if the law actually does that, if it did that isn't a reach at all really.

    (Of course this is why pretty much every state without youth pre-registration still allows you to register if you have not yet reached 18 but will be 18 at the date of the next election, but if North Carolina's bill didn't allow even that arrangement, yeah you've got a constitutional problem.)
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    North Carolina lawmakers approve sweeping voter ID bill

    MAGGIE VALLEY, N.C. — Freed from Voting Rights Acts oversight eliminated last month by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, the Republican-led North Carolina Legislature has approved some of the nation's most sweeping new voting regulations.


    A voter ID law passed during the final hours of the state's legislative session Thursday night would require voters to show government-issued ID cards. It also would shorten early voting by a week, eliminate same-day voter registration during early voting, allow any registered voter to challenge another voter's eligibility and eliminate popular pre-registration initiatives for high school students.

    The bill also would end straight-ticket voting, the practice of voting for every candidate of a single party, begun in 1925 and popular among Democratic voters. It also would prohibit counties from extending voting hours on election day in response to long lines.

    The early registration school programs eliminated by the bill had allowed thousands of high school students every year to register to vote before their 18th birthdays
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    the new law requires registration 25 days before the election. if it doesn't have pre-registration, that cuts off a month of voters just turning 18.
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    Does it actually eliminate pre-registration? Or does it eliminate initiatives being paid for preformed in high schools?
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    Well, and this is the distinction that I was trying to make, it depends on what is meant by "pre-registration."

    Typically pre-registration refers to allowing youth to register after their 16th or 17th birthday regardless of their age at the next election, just their registration doesn't become effective until they turn 18. There are plenty of states who don't have that.

    Nevertheless, in the states without pre-registration you are able to register during an open registration period if you will be 18 on or by the date of the next election. My point is that if NC doesn't have even that (and I haven't looked at the bill) they potentially have a pretty serious constitutional issue.

    Even if there is no constitutional issue, however, I fail to see what compelling argument you could even make in favor of getting rid of pre-registration. That seems to be a pretty naked "young people don't really vote for us, so we're going to make it less convenient for them to get registered to vote."
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    And who drew them up for the prior 80 years: liberals. Quit your whining. The voters of NC have spoken. Fairness has returned.
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    It makes high school students show some initiative by going to the voter registration office. They can't sit and have someone else do the work to get registered for them. Hence the outcry -- the lazy might not bother.
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/08/12/north-carolina-governor-signs-extensive-voter-id-law/

    The measure requires voters to present government-issued photo identification at the polls and shortens the early voting period from 17 to 10 days. It will also end pre-registration for 16- and 17-year-old voters who will be 18 on Election Day and eliminates same-day voter registration



    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/08/12/4232398/gov-mccrory-signs-voter-id-bill.html

    In his video statement, McCrory only spoke about the law’s voter ID provision. He did not mention other changes. Among other things, the bill:

    • Limits disclosure of outside campaign spending.

    • Raises contribution limits from $4,000 to $5,000 and, for the first time, indexes them to inflation.

    • Ends public financing of judicial races.

    • Repeals the “stand by your ad” law that forces candidates or parties to identify themselves on the air as sponsors of an ad.

    Ends preregistration for teens. Supporters said even though teens couldn’t vote until they turn 18, early registration made them more likely to vote when eligible.

    “This bill was much more than just voter ID,” Attorney General Roy Cooper said in a statement. “There were dozens of reasons to veto this bad elections bill with its restrictions on voting, more corporate campaign money and reduced public disclosure being just a few
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    Im ok with voter ID laws but I'm not into laws that further suppress voters from voting. If we have a system where nobody can commit voter fraud (without jumping through a serious amount of hoops) then there is no reason to suppress any voters from getting out and voting. Requiring someone to produce an ID is a pretty good step in that direction. I'm not so sure about the other parts of this law though.
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    I like the concept of voter ID but I think North Carolina's law as a whole is a streaming pile of sh!t.
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