NLRB Rules that Northwestern Football Players Can Unionize...

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    Let the greedy little bastards start paying taxes on those scholarships as if they were income. Serves em right.

    Or better yet, drop all scholarships and make em pay their own way through college.
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    Except no one really wants to pay a lot to see minor league football being played under the university's auspices. The whole reason we support UF sports is the assumption that somewhere there are UF students wanting to represent UF. We never think the Dolphins' players are loyal to Miami, do we?
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    Yep, that is the main problem. But if you want to get out of the hypocrisy business there aren't really any other options. Having "student-athletes" who can't read is just plain silly.
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    This!
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    That's the answer.
    Just drop ATHELETIC scholarships.

    Raise the grade point average for every athlete.

    Make them meet the same damn standards everyone else has to.

    Oh wait......I can hear Al and Jesse beating their war drums already.....
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    Then none of them would play in college football lol. College football would just be a bunch of average players not many people would watch. A separate youth football league would open and would sign up the top 18 year old football players and they would play there for 2-5 years then bolt to the NFL if good enough.
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    I seriously doubt it stands up to appeal. Of course the NLRB said they could unionize, especially with as much ground as Unions have lost lately. It might change the way scholarship contracts are written and the way video games are created etc, but that is it. The college writes the contract for scholarships so they have the leverage. Secondly, is every scholarship recipient part of the union? That's going to be a legal sticking point. What happens when profit sharing and title IX collide? I hope some of these players like getting the same stipend as the ladies chess team.
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    Greed may be something down the road. Right now, just basic rights are being asked for. For example, a player who was paralyzed from playing football and then had his scholarship taken away sued TCU for medical expenses. He lost.

    Here's an old article on that lawsuit.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/15/s...ity-injured-player-s-case-could-shake-up.html
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    question: will this now cause h.s. football players to unionize too? aren't they being exploited? or is it only a matter of the millions that come in via the college game? I wonder, when you add up all the revenue on Friday evenings, what that total is?
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    Players are already being paid. It's just that there's a very low salary cap (85 scholarships). When they take money under the table, it's their fault. Rarely do the schools get in trouble for this.
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    Why not?
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    Here comes the football D-league / farm system....I'm hoping this gets repealed in a higher court instead of the NLRB aka the foxes in the hen house.
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    And the greedy universities pay taxes on all the gains they get from college athletes.
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    H.S. players are not "compensated". Thus they do not have employee/employer relationship. There is definitely an employee/employer relationship in college.
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    If you count a scholarship as payment for employment then you must count all scholarship holders as employees.
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    Yeah, it really opens up too many flood gates. What's to stop the math team from unionizing as well. Unfortunately the real argument is being masked here. For example, TAMU went too far exploiting the likeness of Johnny Football. Less emphasis should be put on the athletes to not make money off of their own likeness to the tune of being in trouble for accepting a small gift and more should be put on the universities to just allow the brand of the school, and not individuals to be used in things like EA sports and the like.

    The alternatives are nothing less than the complete break down of the current system and then what will we have?
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    In what professional sport does that happen? Besides, for anyone that's read the forums, there are countless fans that do the same thing - demand more playing time from the hotshot backup.

    Personally, I don't want to see the players unionize. However, it may be the NCAA that's squashed the golden egg. Keeping players from profiting on their own popularity or likeness is simply un-American and flies in the face of Capitalism.
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    I think it could be argued that an academic scholarship is at a school for its original intent, whereas a football player is somewhat of a contractor.
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    A math team doesn't make money for the university though nor does it take up anywhere as much time as football...also the football players were brought to college for their athletic abilities. Math team members are normal students who happened to sign up for the math team after they got into the college.

    I agree that the only way to save the NCAA is to allow players to make money off of their likeness plus each player gets a decent stipend. NCAA would no longer be an amateur league, but that would still be a lot better to watch than a minor league football system.

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