NFL Personnel people prefer Brady over Manning

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    Brady has consistently had elite offensive lines in front of him. There's the difference. Both QB are very one-dimensional and wouldn't win any races. What are the Vegas odds of a holding call on an OL this weekend: 5,000 to 1 (not to mention calls on illegal pick plays)?
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    look, its splitting hairs picking between these two, but at the end of the day QB's are wrongfully judged on rings. Offense doesn't win championships, neither does defense or special teams.... TEAMS win championships. and Brady has had better teams and a better coach. if i remember correctly, that Randy Moss guy was pretty good, and Welker was there for a while too, Hernandez, Gronk... so don't make it out like Brady has never had talent around him on offense lol.
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    Of course its splitting hairs. They're both great. But I loved Montana and I see a lot of that in Brady (though the latter is a little prissy, at least image wise). Montana had great teams too, but let's not discount that they were major cogs in making those teams - and the players around them- great.

    Ironically, he never won rings with those guys. And if Peyton wins, the better team argument is solidly on Brady's side (IMO, Denver has much more talent on both sides) this time. As you said, splitting hairs.
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    If Bledsoe doesn't go down Brady would have been a roving backup in the league for a few years then bye bye and the intangibles are a great system, defense and coach. Manning never backed up anyone college or pro and is a proven winner who never had what Brady has had as far as supporting cast. Brady couldn't crack starting lineup at Michigan until there was no one else
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    Give me Manning all day. One of the best field generals I've ever seen. I grew up a Montana fan, but Manning is on another level. He has ALL the tools. From head to toe, he's built to be a passing machine. Strong arm, great awareness in the pocket, great footwork, can read defenses better than anyone I've ever seen and is extremely cerebral in his approach. He's also an extension of the head coach, as he's constantly coaching up players. You just don't get better than that.

    Brady isn't far behind, though. Both greats.
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    Your opinion and not one single, tangible fact or stat to back it up.
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    Had a conversation about this same topic just this past Saturday with a recently retired nfl safety who played mostly in the AFC during his 7 year career.

    For what it's worth, in his opinion having played both several times during his career. Brady is the tougher QB to defend against.
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    Peyton left college ball ringless yet that team had enough talent to win it all with the new guy.

    His NFL team mates got paid NFL wages just like Brady's did but one lifted their team to five Super Bowls and won three
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    Probably, but I do think it's worth noting that the Patriots Super Bowls were all very close, and they haven't won one since they had to stop cheating. If not for the cheating giving them an edge, they might have lost at least one of them, if not all three.

    And before it gets glossed over, knowing how/what you opponent is practicing -- especially in a walk-thru -- is a huge advantage, enough that it cost them first-round picks. I know it doesn't match the narrative of Belichick and Brady's mastery, but they the fact that they haven't repeated their success must mean something.
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    Any explanation as to why?
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    Basically, he said that they are equal in ways of field generals and game management but Brady has a much stronger and more accurate arm. That you could have your guy well covered but Brady can still get the ball in. Also said that overall, Brady has done more with less around him in way of supporting cast.

    Again, he pointed out that we are splitting hairs here regarding two of the greatest of all time. But he would take Brady and it wasn't even a second thought.
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    FWIW, that spying on the Rams' walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI that you're referencing?

    Didn't happen.

    The original source for the story - The Boston Herald - issued a retraction and an apology to the Patriots.
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    People who say Brady has always had a great D to carry him are clueless, to put it lightly. This isn't 2001 anymore.

    Reached the Super Bowl in 2011 season with the 31st ranked defense.
    In the AFC championship game this year with 26th ranked defense.

    Brady always has consistency? He doesn't even have one skill player on offense that he had two years ago when they went to the Super Bowl. Yet here he is again, knocking on the door.

    Does Bill Belichick deserve credit? Of course, but I hate when people try to throw out BS to marginalize how brilliant Brady is.
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    Manning never backed up anyone anytime in pro ,in college after fulmer realized who he wasFact. Brady got his chances only due to injury or no one else available pro and college .Fact. Indy Defense not even close to NE in Super Bowl years Fact look it up

    Manning rookie year in NFL over 3000 yards 26 touchdowns all rookie
    Brady rookie year fourth string 1-3 six yards total

    Manning -college was third string for two games as freshman due to dumbass fulmer then never looked back
    Brady sat as prep squad king for two years ,when he got a chance to start he shared with Henson the rest of the way and was a head case ,most people don't even remember him in college

    I am a Gator no love for Tennessee but Peyton ran into probably the best years of gator football ever during his career
    Brady found the perfect coach in the nfl to help be his psychologist Belichik .Peyton was his own coach to his detriment
    Brady is a system qb Peyton is the system
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    Hard to believe Brady was a 6th round pick! What a bargain!
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    Archie, is that you? :D
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    Okay.

    Here is the final ruling from the NFL:
    • Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 by the NFL. That is the maximum amount under the NFL Constitution and By-Laws for violating league policy last Sunday on the use of equipment to videotape an opposing team’s offensive or defensive signals.
    • The Patriots were fined $250,000 by the NFL.
    • The Patriots gave up their first-round pick in 2008.
    • “This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to the Patriots.
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    I, really, have never seen a more biased and nonsensical collection of "facts." Of course, none of these "facts" proves a damn thing other than:

    1. Brady developed late and was overlooked by many and had to wait behind an already established, I believe, pro-bowl QB. In other words, he wasn't TAKEN NUMBER ONE WITH THE EXPRESS INTENTION OF MAKING HIM THE STARTER!!! Duh.
    2. Didn't Manning also set (or approach) the record for Ints. I believe he did (and actually think giving him the freedom to do so was a very smart move by the Colts).
    3. Who cares if Lloyd Carr pulled a Mack Brown and allowed himself to be seduced by recruiting rankings and measurables. Curious, who finished out the year as the starter? Yeah, that was Brady, who never looked back. From his Wiki page:
    Brady battled for the starting job with Drew Henson,[14] ultimately starting every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts and completions in a season (214).

    Oh, and you may not love Tennessee, but I have a feeling you love one of the following: Colts, Jets, Dolphins.

    Also, Belichek is a DEFENSIVE coach. So, just whose "system" is it that made Brady who he is? Josh McDaniel. Weiss. O'Brien. Come on, who's the Spurrier to Brady's Wuerffel.
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    None of this is accurate at all. The fact that you think Brady had a better supporting cast totally cements this post as a fail!
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    And of course you have some sort of proof that Brady is a cheater seeing how that's NEVER been said about him. Another quality post from you!
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