NeverTrumpers nearly finished?

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  1. OaktownGator

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    Change can be good. I like generally that this is pushing the parties to change.

    It's a real shame the direction that change is currently headed. Hopefully as with most issues, we see the pendulum swing back towards rewarding more responsible, less deceitful and divisive leadership.
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    When loyalty is the most required trait to succeed in a 2-party system, we're f'ed.
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    We are at 96-97% employment rates.

    Pretty much meaning both parties are working, doesn't it?
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    We did that with this last presidential election... :D;)
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    Those rates are misleading a bit but wages haven't grown as much as they should have over the past years and too many good jobs were shipped overseas. Too many HB1 visa foreigners were let in to hurt certain employees like those in some IT fields etc. also.
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    President Trump: It's overly simplistic to say that South Carolina GOP congressman Mark Sanford lost his primary Tuesday because of Trump. But Trump was definitely a factor in making Sanford the second House Republican in 2018 to lose a primary. The president sent off this remarkably caustic tweet on Tuesday afternoon, as voters in South Carolina were getting off work and going to vote:

    Mark Sanford has been very unhelpful to me in my campaign to MAGA. He is MIA and nothing but trouble. He is better off in Argentina. I fully endorse Katie Arrington for Congress in SC, a state I love. She is tough on crime and will continue our fight to lower taxes. VOTE Katie!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 12, 2018
    The Argentina thing is a reference to the affair Sanford carried out while governor in 2009, when he went missing for about a week and was discovered to be spending time in Argentina with a woman who wasn't his wife. He somewhat improbably won election to Congress a few years later.

    Trump was already making life difficult for Sanford before that tweet. Sanford's primary opponent, state legislator Katie Arrington, tried to frame the campaign about how critical Sanford has been of Trump. It was helping her gain traction even before Trump sent that tweet.

    The big takeaway from Sanford's loss is this: Republican lawmakers who speak out against Trump risk losing their jobs. Rep. Martha Roby (R-Ala.) was forced into a runoff after abandoning Trump nearly two years ago during the election.
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    Now if we can only get welfare reform we'll be cruising. ;) We're going to need those people in the work force since The Donald is doing such a fantastic job with the economy there are more jobs available than people looking. Once the free ride is over for those physically and mentally able to work they'll need to get a job! "Starvation is a tremendous motivator!"- Walter Williams

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    Agreed, I think wage stagnation Is a significant problem with the ripples into many parts of our economy.

    Regarding the visas, I’m not sure how much their issuance hurt American companies Because I don’t know how many qualified American workers were actually spurned jobs in favor of the visa holders. My guess is the visa holders were here in the first place because these companies perceived lack of talent homegrown.
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    In the IT field a lot of Americans got laid off or pay reduced due to the H1B visas. Disney and some others pulled all kinds of devious crap with those to lower wages they had to pay.
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    Not from my vantage point, and I have a pretty good one.

    A competent domestic technologist is the most employable human being in this country. And pretty well compensated, too.
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    There were all kinds of stories about it Obama's last years in office. Maybe the economy picking up some opened more opportunities.
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    Mutz is Nancy Pelosi????? Who da thunk it.
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    Yeah, and the grass isn't gonna cut itself LOL.
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    My friend lost her job at Verizon to foreigners.

    It happens more than people realize. The businesses don’t advertise it when they do it.

    I’d like a requirement for all businesses over 50 (maybe less?) employees to have to report all employees that are not US citizens.
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    You're absolutely right.

    But we're far too busy denigrating and deporting poor immigrants doing work that we can't do and/or won't do, rather than simply fixing our visa quotas in a way that helps our country with hard labor / low skill jobs, and helps American workers retain better paying knowledge and skill based jobs.

    Our whole immigration policy is a giant cluster function, and we're celebrating it and exacerbating it under this POTUS.
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    It’s been a cluster for a long time. Too many elected officials with their heads stuck in the sand hoping it will go away.

    Our president has brought it out into the open for everyone to see. He’s trying to fix it or let it break itself even more.

    There are plenty lazy ass US citizens that can do any job.

    Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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    But why should any company be forced to hire them?
    If a company wishes to employ a workforce completely made up of foreign born employees, why can't they? The only requirement should be if they are legally in the country.
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    It has been a cluster for a long time and both parties have leftit that way without addressing it. There is no high ground to be had by either party on this issue.

    But Trump is denigrating and deporting good hard working people and making the problems worse in the process.

    And no, there are not people who can do many of the jobs they do. There are no Americans who can do migrant farm work at the productivity levels expected, even if they were willing to do them. Which they're not.

    We should increase visa numbers for the back breaking low skill jobs that Americans can't do, and decrease visas for skilled, knowledge based jobs and put Americans back to work in those areas.

    Our immigration policies and politics are pure nonsense.
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    You realize that posting his bio is a blatant logical fallacy, i.e. appeal to authority?
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