My Thoughts on the Winstongate Scandal

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    But "nothing" is the standard you are relying upon to discredit the rape victim.

    Your position has the counter-effect of supporting the rapist, Jameis Winston.

    But you know that, considering your intellectual prowess.

    Good job, indeed.
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    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto..._accuser_s_lawyer_patricia_carroll_calls.html
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    a story in a newspaper is not what I am interested in.

    Carroll said she had a packet of evidence that contains more information and contradictory information than the SAO report. Where is that packet? Was she just blowing smoke? She said she had more medical information than what was in the SAO report. Where is that?
    I don't care what reporters are saying, I want to see the actual paper trail and I think so do you?
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    Nice find. Turn to page 33. The nurse's clinical impression/dc diagnosis clearly states, "Sexual Assault." It's no wonder that Meggs didn't release that one to the press.

    Here's more info on SANE nurses:

    "Prosecutors have found SANEs to be credible witnesses in court as a result of their extensive experience and expertise in conducting evidentiary exams. The Director of a Wisconsin SANE program reported that during a 31/2-year period, they had a 100-percent conviction rate in cases where a SANE testified at trial."

    http://www.vawnet.org/Assoc_Files_VAWnet/OVC_SANE0401-186366.pdf

    Yet, Meggs does not want to use this crucial witness? Why?
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    Is it not true that the victim gave the name "Chris - freshman on the football team" the morning after the rape? If TPD had done their due diligence and interviewed Casher that morning and asked him who he was with (or if he wouldn't cooperate they could have figured it out from Potbelly's cameras), wouldn't they have been able to bring Winston to the police station by 10:00am that morning to interview him? Why did they have to wait until the victim figured it out for them???
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    You said you didn't see "overwhelming evidence" in the woman's favor. If you aren't looking for overwhelming evidence you should have used a different term. But that statement of yours is very telling. The issue in a normal rape case is whether there's enough evidence against the accused, not against the accuser. But like Meggs, you and most FSU fans twisted it around so that it became the woman's obligation to convince the SA that he should go forward with the case.

    As for whether Winston is guilty of a crime, that isn't the issue at this point. The only issue now is whether there was enough evidence to justify a charge and trial. Seems clear to me that there was more than sufficient to justify a charge and trial so that a jury could decide whether he was guilty or not.

    Were there some things in the woman's statement and elsewhere that need to be explained? Sure. They go to the believability of the woman's claim. And juries typically make those kinds of decisions. But of course Meggs resolved those things by himself and all in Winston's favor.

    I don't think you're an idiot. But I do think you should stop talking about whether Winston is guilty or not since we almost certainly will never reach that stage.
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    So what DOES a woman have to do or say to make you believe she's been raped? I shudder to think of the damage you would have to see, and I guess she better be able to recall every minute, as well as be able to talk about it in a clear manner. BBecause let me tell you it takes ain't easy. And since you think the 2 stooges are so believable, how is it that one remembers her on the bed having oral sex, and the other said she was on the floor? Mirage? No, despite all the coaching the received, one of the boneheads forgot the story! !
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    It has been released. TBO.com
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    Just where is Greg Dent and why was he arrested? How on earth he is arrested immediately with his own girlfriend and JW doesnt even get charged. It is a mockery.
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    Dent trial set: Former Glades Central standout Greg Dent will go to trial on Feb. 10 in Tallahassee on felony sexual battery charges. He will also have a pre-trial hearing on Dec. 5.

    Dent was arrested in June and he has not played for FSU while the charges are pending. His attorney, Annabelle Dias, said that Dent has not been enrolled at FSU. Dent, who would have been a senior, caught 27 passes for 355 yards and two touchdowns in 2012.


    An odd note about this... his atty is not Jansen, but Annabelle Dias.
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    He didn't score enough tds last year to deserve the a list atty
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    That's one of the things that bothers me most about the way TPD handled things. He didn't even have to interview Casher since he supposedly didn't know who that was. But by giving him that information the victim gave him all he needed to track down Winston as the suspect. Given that piece of information Columbo, Kojak, Jim Rockford or any sharp 12 year old could solve the mystery in 24-48 hours. All the cop had to do was go by the FSU Sports Information Office and ask for any game program from the 2012 season. That program would contain a roster that listed the players by name, height, weight and class and displayed PICTURES of every FSU football player.

    There were 8 players named Chris (Chris, Christopher, Christian) on the FSU roster. He simply shows her the 8 and asks if any of them is the Chris she is talking about. After she identifies Casher, he asks NOW ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLAYERS that you recognize that were at the apartment that night. BINGO!!!

    It's not rocket science. TPD did absolutely nothing to assist her in this situation. It should not have taken 5 weeks and been left up to her to 'luck out" in having him show up in a class with her. TPD could and should have known it was Winston that Monday morning after talking with the victim and begun interveiwing Casher, Darby and Winston at that time along with sending in the blood and urine samples for testing and all the other things that never got done. Maybe then some of the 'holes" in her story or memory lapses could have been filled in.

    They 'botched" it from the start and folks wonder why average people are questioning TPD's handling of the case. Had basic police work be done at the very beginning things would have been wrapped up one way or the other long bgefore the 2013 season began and there would not have been a "rush to judgment" this December to save the Heisman award and the NC game. Of course, Winston also may have never seen the field in 2013 if TPD had done a credible investigation.

    I believe TPD knew who it was early on and simply hoped there would be no identification. They then dragged their feet when she identified him in January.
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    The lack of investigation was contemporaneous with TPD warning victim that she better think twice about pursuing rape charges against *gasp* FSU football playas because her life would become a living hell.

    TPD delivered on its promise to the victim and, by extension, all future rape victims that dare to report a rape.
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    How many years was Sandusky allowed to walk free?
    Why?
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    Dec 3, 2013 - http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20131203/NEWS/131203005/

    Michael DeLeo is the next chief of Tallahassee Police

    "DeLeo said he had no plans to make immediate personnel changes. Instead, he planned to review department policy on topics such as use of force, training and public information.

    DeLeo will take control of a department that has taken heat over the past five years for violating its own rules. Last month, one grand jury found that TPD escalated its August encounter with West and failed to follow its own policies in the arrest that left her with broken bones and other injuries. Earlier this year, grand jurors also found fault with TPD for going out of its jurisdiction during a burglary investigation that put the life of an officer at risk.

    In 2008, another grand jury found that TPD violated nearly 20 policies and procedures during a botched drug sting that led to the death of 23-year-old confidential informant Rachel Hoffman.

    TPD is now again in the spotlight over its handling of the investigation into a sexual-battery complaint against FSU star quarterback Jameis Winston. Both sides in the case — the woman’s family and Winston’s attorney – have said TPD failed to interview key witnesses early in the investigation. TPD didn’t collect DNA from Winston until Nov. 14, roughly 10 months after the woman named him as her attacker.

    State Attorney Willie Meggs said he was unfamiliar with DeLeo but expects to “have a conversation or two” with him once he is on the job.

    DeLeo was one of five finalists selected from a search that began on Sept. 18 five days after former TPD Chief Dennis Jones announced his early retirement on Sept. 13. Jones announced his departure at the suggestion of Tallahassee City Manager Anita Favors Thompson in the wake of controversy from the release of a dash cam video that showed police officers slamming a DUI suspect to the ground during an Aug. 10 DUI arrest."

    As much as I think everyone who has followed this case would like to see action taken against the TPD for incompetence, it was a problem that had been well documented and known about in Tallahassee over the past years. Whether by chance or luck, they began searching for a new police chief when TPD Chief Dennis Jones announced his early retirement on Sept. 13. I think this will let the department off the hook - the city had already taken steps to correct the problem before the Winston case resurfaced, and did so.

    What really gets my attention, is the timing of Sept 13, when Jones announced his retirement - right after the FB season had started and Winston began gathering national attention for his onfield play.

    Since the City of Tallahassee and the TPD are now "on top of the problem" and correcting "any & all problems" within the department, I am afraid that there will be no action taken by Pam Bondi's office in this matter, imo.




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    I think you're exactly right on how TPD will respond to any suggestion that they be investigated for the handling of this case. And they'll probably get away with it. It seems that nobody in the state has any desire to hold them accountable anyway.
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    this is in the victims hands now.
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