My Thoughts on the Winstongate Scandal

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    All I know is that we need to leave the kid alone at the Swamp come Saturday....we need to show some class.
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    Yea I am trying to understand when has Winston ever said he didn't have sex with the girl? He hasn't said anything since this started....
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    Good luck with that.......lol
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    Through his lawyer. Articles in Orlando Sentinel and Tampa Bay Times.
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    Please drop the "grad" pronto.
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    Not sure but, it could be autocorrect. Either way you should quit with the grammar lessons. There are far worse things you can find to police on this board. Just my .02
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    So we can expect to hear the nole fans doing their chant..."F-o-r-i-d-a S-t-a-t-e Forida State Forida State Forida State whooo."

    Again, a question I have raised to the nole fans who keep throwing out the "there are pictures all over the internet of her with him after the alleged attack" argument is why then is there not one picture of the two of them on a these trash websites?
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    If the victim socialized with the rapist after the rape, the SAO will not bring charges.
    If the victim knew the rapist before the rape, the SAO will be reluctant to bring charges.
    If the victim did not know the rapist and has had no contact with him since, then the statements of the alibi witnesses and any corroborating medical evidence will have to be weighed along with the statements of the victim.
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    That column is not true. I have talked to probably 20-25 Noles in the last few days and only one has even acknowledged the POSSIBILITY that he raped her.
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    Unless I'm misreading the article, that's a statement of what fans know... not what the SAO knows.
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    That is laughable . . . you mean other than a victim statement identifying that she has been raped by Winston and his dna . . . .
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    I think the writer was stating as fact there is nothing more than conficting stories.

    But Winston has not talked to TPD or the SAO.

    He may have talked to FSU last winter. I'm sure Meggs wants that and other statements, including hard rives, no pun intended.
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    Here is the paragraph preceding "Here's what those people know...", saying it is nothing more than a he said / she said:

    "But it is time that we speak up for the vast, vast, vast majority of Tallahassee residents and Florida State fans who are not posting mean-spirited rants about Winston’s accuser on the Internet. Who aren’t rushing to judgment in either direction. Who are waiting for more information to come out because they simply don’t have enough facts to know what to think."​

    The writer is speaking for Tallahassee residents and Florida State fans... and supposedly the most balanced of those people. He is not stating definitively that he knows it is just a he said / she said, or that the SAO knows that. And of course he can't speak for the SAO.
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    But its not a he said she said, because he has not said a thing.
    It's a she said rape and he said I invoke my fifth amendment privilege.
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    What we don't know is ...

    What do the photo shows from the medical exam? We know photos were taken. If it shows a bruised up woman, then that's a problem... and makes it more than a he said/she said.

    What do the affidavits say? If the affidavits conflict with the known facts (i.e., denying Winston was there, denying there was any sex, etc.) then that's a credibility problem and makes it more than he said/she said.

    Why did they do a DNA test on Winston if his attorney had admitted to the sex? Why are they doing a DNA test on the "witness" ... what did that DNA test disclose? Does that DNA test pose more problems to the credibility of the affidavits?
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    Photos, affidavits, etc. are evidence introduced by one side or the other to support "he said" or "she said" case but they don't change the nature of the case. It's still a "he said - she said" case ("he said" meaning his lawyer said).
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    I understand that. I am just trying to clarify what the writer actually wrote. He wasn't claiming personal knowledge. The writer was saying that the Nole fans who haven't jumped to conclusions think it is a he said / she said.

    Maybe that is what they think. But as you point out, JW hasn't formally said anything.
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    UFLAW81,

    a. Yeah, the Duke Lacrosse team

    b. Yeah, I know something about it. A woman claimed 3 kids raped her. There was DNA evidence in that case also. It turned out the woman was lying. Yes, the prosecutor was out of line because he ignored exculpatory evidence.

    c. Meggs hasn't said a word about any evidence he has.

    d. No, the FDLE only did the DNA tests

    e. Probably Winston's attorney.

    f. How do you know whether they are being interviewed over and over ?

    g. What if they do have their own attorneys. So what.

    h. First it's Winston's. Second, Lawyers tell their clients to keep their mouth shut. So what.

    i. How do you know FSU didn't investigate. Why because the media never mentioned it ?

    j. Again it's Carroll's. Isn't she the accuser's attorney ?

    OK, that's all well and good..............but my question to you was where did these people allegedly say all these things you claim they said ? You haven't answered the question.
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    The Duke Lacrosse team is an inappropriate comparison .
    The Jerry Sandusky scandal is more on point.
    And yes, Winstons attorney provided statement from alibi witnesses.
    Pat Carroll has made it clear those statements were false.
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