My Thoughts on the Winstongate Scandal

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  1. UFLAW81
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    He said it wasn't him.
    She said it was.

    His witnesses said he wasn't there.
    She said he was.

    She said he was 5'10".
    He says he is 6'4".

    He said he didn't have sex with her.
    She says he did.

    He said she said.

    Did I forget something?
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    That one was caught in a lie and there's DNA proof backing the victim
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    She said she didn't know him.
    He said ??

    She said it's rape.
    He said it's consentual.

    Of course this us after his dna linked him. Oops.
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    This is why his attorney told JW to keep his pie hole shut. Imagine if he would have said he didn't do it because he wasn't there to match the original witness stories. Then the DNA results came out showing that he was there.. that would be a big big oops. This way his attorney can mold his statements around what comes out publicly. Notice that his attorney never said squat about the activities being consensual until the DNA news came out. Now he says that he was saying that all along.
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    Could it be that that might depend on what kinds of questions they asked ?

    In other words, were they trying to discredit her, or just gathering / refining the facts ?
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    UFLAW81,

    The witness or JW's statements haven't been released by the SOA to the media. My questions to you are :

    a. What witness claimed JW wasn't present ?

    b. When did JW say he DIDN'T have sex with the accuser ?

    c. When did JW say it wasn't him ?

    If you are an attorney like your username implies then you should know there is some valid reason Winston has NOT been charged or arrested as of this date. Using your approach to this incident, one could suspect that something isn't adding up in this alleged victim's story.

    Megg's has a very good history of coming down hard on FSU athletes who commit crimes. He may be an FSU alum, but I see no evidence it clouds his aggression towards prosecuting FSU athlete.

    If there is a crime and JW committed it they should arrest him, prosecute him, and throw the book at him.

    If this is a made up story by the alleged victim, they should arrest her for filing a false police report and throw the book at her.

    They had DNA evidence in the Duke Lacrosse Team case which turned out to be a hoax and ruined three innocent lives.

    Everyone should just relax, quit speculating, and let the SOA do their job. If JW is charged and arrested, then let the judicial system do it's job.

    LawDog, if the SOA is questioning the accuser, isn't good investigating to try to get the truth by looking for holes in her story ? These are very serious accusations with life changing consequences aren't they ? So wouldn't it be responsible of the investigator to make sure he/ she is getting it right ?
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    Coach R;

    The Duke LaCrosse team?

    Do you really know anything about it?

    That was prosecutorial misconduct.

    Are you suggesting Meggs who "come down hard on FSU athletes" has fabricated or with held evidence?

    Are you suggesting the FDLE fabricated the DNA evidence?

    Who drafted the affidavits for the alibi witnesses?

    Do you think maybe they are being interviewed and re interviewed for a reason?

    Do they now have their own lawyers?

    Why didn't Winstons lawyer allow the SAO to interview Winston?

    Why didn't FSU investigate this when it learned of an alleged rape of a student by another student?

    Or did they?

    Go back and carefully read Pat Carrolls press releases.

    They will tell you a lot.
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    If charges are brought and we learn that FSU obstructed the investigation, will the NCAA step in and force FSU to forfeit the season for using an ineligible player?
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    I don't think he is ever going to be ineligible by NCAA standards. I believe when to suspend ir remove for criminal issues is up to the school.

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    Oh no bro.
    Anything on the level of sexual battery and he is done at FSU.
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    How is that different than what I said? It is a school issue--not an NCAA issue on criminal charges.
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    Fair questions, I've seen people claim JW changed his story after the DNA came out, but I don't remember him saying anything except he's innocent and has witnesses to back him up.

    There was DNA evidence, but none that matched any of the players. There was a match for a "boyfriend" of the accuser, but the DA initially withhold that information. The defense lawyers eventually uncovered it, and that later led to the DA being disbarred. Bad comparison.
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    I thought Winston might be charged until the latest statement I've seen from Meggs' office, which is that no decision will be made until after Thanksgiving. If it's taking him that long to make a decision in what is basically a "he says - she says" case I don't see him ever charging Winston. I firmly believe that if this case didn't involve a football star and FSU's likely appearance in the NC game Meggs would have made his decision when the DNA results came out.
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    His DNA was on her underwear
    She went in for a rape kit and reported it as rape

    He lawyered up with an outside lawyer
    She got herself a lawyer as well

    He was coddled by the TPD
    She was possibly/likely intimidated by the TPD
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    Just throwing it out there. So much speculation out there. Crazy........
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    FWIW, that guy spelled "Florida" wrong a few times in that article, and it was written two days ago. If it had any credibility people would have ran with it already.

    Not to mention, I think some people have confirmed that the picture they are talking about is not actually the accuser.

    Also, I feel sick for even giving them a click. Posting a picture of the victim is such trashy journalism.
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    How many rape cases are disposed of by the SAO on the he said she said argument?

    It must be less than 1%.
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