My Obamacare Nightmare Continues

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    You seem to love arguing, even when you know you're being hardheaded and completely ignoring the facts. you also tend to deflect and imply things that aren't true. You imply that he could have kept his insurance {b]if it hadn't changed significantly[/b], but failed to mention that it would only be for this year. As of September 31, 2014, it would again be canceled, just like it originally was this past October until Obama took so much heat that he issued the Presidential Order that if the insurance company wants to, they can, at their discretion, continue to provide insurance, for a year, under the old plans that I forced them to discontinue.
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    What a crock....

    "Minimum standards" as defined by who? Obama and his cronies?

    Give me a break, verti. Even you can see the flaw in that logic, right?
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    Who is this guy to say what Health plan someone wants or needs? Most educated people know what coverage they need. If he says his old plan was perfect for his family, what gives the government the right to tell him otherwise?

    It IS the ACA and Obama fault.
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    I don't see how even the most ardent supporter of Obama could not agree that there were egregious lies about the way Obamacare would work:

    1. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. This was Obama making promises that were not his to make. It was really if you like your doctor (and you don't get dropped by your insurance or your premiums don't soar to something unreasonable) you can keep your doctor.

    2. Same with your insurance plan. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan (unless they drop you due to new standards).

    3. The cost. There is, was and never will be a way in which most individuals in this country will save money through directly subsidizing the previously uninsured.

    I think it's time for blind Obama supporters to at least accept and admit that the plan was presented in a very unrealistic way that was intended to create support.
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    The basic promise of those pushing health reform from the left, even before the ACA was drafted, was that they were smart enough to figure out a way to give equal or better quality health care to more people and spend less money doing so. Never mind that Canada and most of Europe hadn't figured out how to do it (usually by limiting supply). We were supposed to believe that OUR paper pushers and regulators were smarter than everyone else's who had embarked on this failing experiment.

    There is a triad of promises with health care: 1) More Care 2) Higher Quality 3) Less Spent. Anyone can accomplish two of those, but the promise to fulfill all three violates basic laws of economics and human nature.
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    There is - ostensibly - a way to do it, but it involves everything on the chain of supply and delivery of medical care to cost less. This could be handled through waste reduction (which is an expensive process in itself) or by paring down the salaries of all involved, from the Glaxo janitor to a Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon.

    So yes, you could reduce the cost and give coverage to more people, but it's almost self-evident that coverage would be inferior.
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    w2ell one thing is for sure- we did not need to eff up the majority of the Country's health insurance to make sure a small % had health insurance
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    4% is now the majority? Fascinating.
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    if everyone has to follow the new guidelines (once your beloved prezBO's illegal delays are over) then yes that is a majority
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    New guidelines that most plans were following anyway? Nah.
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    that is not an accurate statement shab- the 5+ million who had their policies cancelled is just the tip of the iceberg once the illegal delays prezBO granted end
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    After reading numerous articles regarding Obamacare, the only positive comments about it, are from those receiving subsidies or going on medicaid.
    Raising the deductibles before obamacarecare kicks in actually raises the real cost of the insurance. For anyone that sees a doctor with any regularity or suffers any serious illness or accident and has their deductible raised by $2500 a year, could pay over 200 a month just by the increased deductible alone.
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    If you use wage/price controls, you diminish supply. If you limit costs by limiting supply, you obviously impact access (Canada's model).

    To those who assert that health care is a right, does that mean you have a RIGHT to my time and expertise, or that of any other doc?
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    Absolutely those that think health care is a right think they have a right to your life. It is sad and disgusting but reality.
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    Agreed, so if you take their belief to its logical conclusion, a doc taking vacation, or worse, retiring voluntarily would be a violation of everyone else's rights.
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    Yep.

    It is disturbing that people are not able to see this when they truly believe they have a right to another's life. And when you ask if you should have a right to their life in whatever line of work they are in it is pure deflection.

    I fear when we will have to deal with the mess you do as dentistry has stayed under the radar. The biggest challenge for us is fighting the mentality that people do have a right to another's life in that it creates the idea that the service is actually free or cheap.
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    What cracks me up is the person who complains the most when their copay goes up $10 is the most likely to climb into a $50K vehicle afterwards.
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    ...and a felony, if Obama gets his way.
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    No kidding!
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