Muschamp an underachiever?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Diesel350z, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. mdfgator
    Offline

    mdfgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,485
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,282
    This guy is completely clueless, no doubt he never played competitive sports
  2. Tebowism0823
    Offline

    Tebowism0823 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2010
    Messages:
    13,327
    Likes Received:
    1,941
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Tavares/G'Ville, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +5,001
    Hey......don't underestimate the wind ;)
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  3. ofmgator
    Offline

    ofmgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +183
    No sane person can discount the injuries we suffered to skill positions and linemen. The lines had to be reshuffled over and over causing mistakes. The injury to JD nd then Murphy created major problems. Oue 2014 schedule is very tough but it's part of the game. When SOS was here people forget that the SEC had few really good coaches (Goff, Dinardo,Shula etc,) which nade it easier for us to win. Meyer had Chris Leak,& Tim without them we would not have had the success we enjoyed. I've been a Gator since 1960 and have seen it all and do not like bad seasons but WM caught no break last year when injury after injury took all of the staem out of our ability to win. The only real qustionI have is how L;ville beat us in the Sugar Bowl.
  4. ufrc86
    Offline

    ufrc86 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2012
    Messages:
    234
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings Received:
    +70
    Stupid article. Amazing how in one year perceptions can change so much. In 2012 we go 11-1 and the media credits Muschamp with doing an incredible job with below average talent and having to play a freshman QB. Jimbo goes 10-2 and was viewed as under achieving with his talent including a senior QB. Jimbo was closer than most know of being forced out.

    In 2013 we had injuries at the two position we had zero margin for error - QB and Offensive Tackle. FSU has almost zero injuries and cruises thru a rediculously easy ACC schedule. No way they go thru an SEC schedule undefeated.

    Things are never as good or as bad as they appear to be. Just because of what happened in 2013 doesn't mean Jimbo and FSU are now Vince Lombardi and the 1960s Packers and we are the 1976 Buccaneers. Let's see what happens this year.
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  5. dawny
    Offline

    dawny Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    2,898
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Ratings Received:
    +104
    Coach Muschamp needs to let his other Coaches on the offensive side .let them do there jobs, or he will be replaced, it is simple, hopefully we will have a great Season,look at Auburn from a losing season to the title game,I have always said UF has the talent even with injuries to win.
  6. Dreamliner
    Offline

    Dreamliner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    64,130
    Likes Received:
    236
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,025
    LOL at some of you people. Georgia Southern had more injuries than we did. Whatever makes you happy. And evidently it doesn't take much to make you happy.
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. benheb
    Offline

    benheb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2011
    Messages:
    1,314
    Likes Received:
    240
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    Ratings Received:
    +744
    No way they come out of an SEC schedule with their low injury count.

    Also, our depleted defense was the best one they played. We did pretty good and would have made it a game with an offense equivalent to a good high school team. I have to add FSU did seem solid with excellent qb and receiving corps (because otherwise it's sour grapes). But I don't think dumbo is a genius - not getting on that bandwagon yet.
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2014
  8. phatGator
    Offline

    phatGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2007
    Messages:
    2,549
    Likes Received:
    177
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Dayton, Ohio
    Ratings Received:
    +250
    The
    The injuries were bad, but the Ga Southern coach had 19 injuries out of only 65 scholarship players and yet he went 7-4. Of course they play at a much lower level, but his first ever FBS class has no one above two stars. I can't believe that Gator 2nd and 3rd string players couldn't start at GSU.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. mdfgator
    Offline

    mdfgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,485
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,282

    It's not that simple, we were their Super Bowl. We were a broken demoralized club. You have to bring it to win it!
  10. AFCyberGator
    Online

    AFCyberGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2011
    Messages:
    1,536
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA by way of Cyberspace, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +234
    I do not think it is a fair comparison to say George O'Leary beat Baylor with recruiting classes #50 and #90, but Florida's 2nd, 3rd, and scout team from the #3 and #4 ranked recruiting classes. No matter what we say it will be perceived as making excuses for Will Muschamp, but what we do know is that out of the things he has the most control over--recruiting and overall management of a team--he does this better than most. The verdict is still out on his ability to make position coaches work well together, his ability to "clean house" and translate that to on-field performance, and his ability to develop healthy players. Honestly, if he could figure out why on earth his players get injured, perhaps we would have a better chance to make fair comparisons to other coaches.
  11. chemgator
    Offline

    chemgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,726
    Likes Received:
    239
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,173
    A bowl would have been nice. A halfway decent coach could have pulled out the Georgia Southern and Vandy games, and possibly the Miami game before all the injuries struck. The truth is, Muschamp is not one of the top-50 head coaches in the nation. He has never produced a top-100 offense (which is embarrassing), even though he is in the best state in the nation for recruiting.

    Muschamp's recruiting is below average, considering where UF is located (#1 state in the country for recruiting should not translate into a #5 recruiting class in the SEC with a full set of schollies to hand out). Recruiting is also inconsistent--we were short on OL this past season partly because Muschamp recruited very few OL in his first three years. He also whiffed on LB's this year, and failed to recruit a top-140 ranked WR in this class (even though our receivers have been atrocious the last few years). He didn't even recruit a full class this year, even though we are desperately short on players--he could only hand out 24 scholarships. At UF, that is embarrassing. I don't know if that points to Muschamp as a lazy recruiter or a gullible one, but having Muschamp as a head coach is a lot like being on probation. He seems to have held back a half dozen scholarships for players who were deciding on NSD whether to play for a 4-8 coach or a winning team.

    Player development is piss-poor at best, especially on offense. Muschamp does not seem to understand the need to have players compete for their starting jobs, and as a result, all the starters get complacent while the backups get frustrated. Game day decisions are questionable, and half-time adjustments are pathetic.

    Other than those things, Muschamp is a fine coach.
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. chemgator
    Offline

    chemgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,726
    Likes Received:
    239
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,173
    I disagree. Muschamp has been the weakest recruiter of the last four coaches at UF. And if he can't get his position coaches to work well together, how can you say that he is above average at "overall management of a team"?

    Here is how the last four UF coaches rate, on a scale of 1-5:

    Spurrier:
    . . . Recruiting: 3
    . . . Player Development: 5
    . . . Identifying Talent: 4
    . . . Game Planning: 5
    . . . Game Day Decisions: 5
    . . . Halftime Adjustments: 4
    Overall: 4.5

    Zook:
    . . . Recruiting: 3
    . . . Player Development: 2
    . . . Identifying Talent: 3
    . . . Game Planning: 2
    . . . Game Day Decisions: 2
    . . . Halftime Adjustments: 2
    Overall: 2.5

    Meyer:
    . . . Recruiting: 5
    . . . Player Development: 4
    . . . Identifying Talent: 4
    . . . Game Planning: 4
    . . . Game Day Decisions: 4
    . . . Halftime Adjustments: 3
    Overall: 4.5

    Muschamp:
    . . . Recruiting: 2
    . . . Player Development: 1
    . . . Identifying Talent: 1
    . . . Game Planning: 2
    . . . Game Day Decisions: 3
    . . . Halftime Adjustments: 2
    Overall: 2.0
    • Disagree Disagree x 4
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. SECund2nun
    Offline

    SECund2nun Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2009
    Messages:
    6,585
    Likes Received:
    159
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +921
    Muschamp now is a good recruiter for the last 2 classes. Before that he was making huge recruiting mistakes by neglecting the DL and OL causing our numbers crunch and he missed out on key offensive targets like Diggs.
  14. ufgator4ever
    Offline

    ufgator4ever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2007
    Messages:
    4,440
    Likes Received:
    31
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +239
    Injuries happen. To all teams. Even more than last year to some teams, like Ga. So.
    But inability to coach is a constant. That is the problem. All the talent in the world doesn't compensate for incompetent coaching.
    3 straight losses to UGA and counting.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. Diesel350z
    Offline

    Diesel350z Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    950
    Likes Received:
    391
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +888
    We only had 25 scholarships to hand out, how is that an embarrassment?

    Also, we did not whiff on LB's this year, we did not take any by design. We are stacked on LB now and for 2015 there are many highly rated stud LB's we will be targeting.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  16. Loco
    Offline

    Loco Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings Received:
    +57
    Lost all credibility right there...
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. gatorcity
    Offline

    gatorcity Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    219
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings Received:
    +272
    I think you're selling Zook a little short on recruiting and player development. He brought in some big time players and had them making their mark all over the field by the end of his short career here.

    I do agree with you that Muschamp is overrated as a recruiter. He benefits from highly rated classes but they are unbalanced (D vs O), do not properly address needs and whiffs on too many big time players we desperately needed, and now he's getting whipped in-state to our rivals. He doesn't recruit any better (and I'd say worse) than any coach we've had in the "modern" era. BUT he did come up with some pretty impressive halftime adjustments throughout the entire 2012 season (although playing devil's advocate they were mostly defensive adjustments).
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  18. gator_n_sc
    Online

    gator_n_sc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    3,406
    Likes Received:
    768
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings Received:
    +2,846
    Its one thing to be talented it's another thing all together trying to learn the college game as a freshman while competing against the best conference in the nation.

    Our highly touted freshman are talented but are very inexperienced. Simply we lacked leadership when our veteran leaders went down with injuries.

    We boast one of the youngest teams and regardless of how talented one is because at this level they're all talented. Experienced talent will usually trump young talent.
    What I seen in the G southern game was a team void of leaders on the field on both sides of the ball. Guys out if position defensively, not checking out of bad play calls, etc.

    We might have been able to weather that amount of injuries if they didn't happen to such key leaders on the team. It's like cutting the head off of a snake, you cut the back end he'll keep on going, but if you cut of his head he just flops and twitches and then starts blocking each other :)

    we needed our senior(ish) leaders last year.

    Oh I can't wait for next season to begin.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. slayerxing
    Offline

    slayerxing Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,064
    Likes Received:
    148
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,023
    And that right there is a fricken excuse. I'm not ready to burn Muschamp yet, but there aren't any excuses for losing to a FCS school on your home turf. Especially not the way UF lost.

    Hopefully its a wake up call and the whole team and coaching staff can turn it around in 2014.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  20. chemgator
    Offline

    chemgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,726
    Likes Received:
    239
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +1,173
    To me, the most impressive thing about Zook's time at UF was his ability to find talent overlooked by the recruiting services. He whiffed on a few, of course, but a few stood out, like Steve Rissler, Carlton Medder, and Steven Harris. His big class was 2003, and recruiting started to backslide after that because Zook could not get anywhere near the SECCG or win a bowl game.
    • Agree Agree x 2

Share This Page