Most/least religious states

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    hard to say,which comes first. Are states that tend are less educated and take more handouts that way because they're religious, or are they more religious because they're less educated and need more handouts?
    I'm not sure.
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    The relationship between those two is likely largely just a product of the actual driver of both: income.

    Obviously the poorest states are going to receive the most government handouts, and it's fairly easy to conclude that those with a lower income are going to have less educational opportunities. It's clear that income is driving both of those factors.

    Turning to religion, it's widely recognized that there is a quite significant negative correlation between income and religiosity (that is, taken on average, the higher someone's income, the less religious they are likely to be). While this correlation is less strong in the US than it is when you look at the world as a whole, it is still a strong correlation when considering the US alone as well. It's relatively less clear which direction that relationship flows, whether it's that having a lower income makes someone more likely to be religious, or whether it's that being religious makes someone more likely to have a low income.

    Whichever direction the second relationship flows, however, I tend to think there isn't much causal relationship between religiosity and being a "taker state" or being uneducated, as much as there is a causal relationship between each of those sets of variables standing alone and income.
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    Lets not forget about demographics in all of this...
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    Demographics.
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    Well your belief has empirical support. Increasing wealth and educations negatively correlates to decreasing religiosity.
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    Yeah - people feel like they can satisfy themselves. It's a dangerous ideology.
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    Inreasing education these days tends to lead to more reliance on government given the rampant growth of corporate welfare over the years. Again, government has become its own religion.
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    The correlate to higher percentages of religiosity, certainly. I wouldn't necessarily say it's self-explanatory if only because well, we had to measure such things first :)
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    The First Amendment says it all--"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
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    Good point. I laugh when people tell me they're not religious.
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    He was actually talking about demographics.
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    Demographics is any measurable segment of a population. Religion, education level, income, gender, home size, family size ... these are all demographics.
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    I've tried to explain that to him a couple of times, but obviously it didn't take.
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    Perhaps I should have said intellectually or spiritually satisfy?
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    Certainly income plays the key role here. You are exactly right it's not cause and effect for religion as it would not really make much sense in any conventional way. I mean, it's always possible of course, but that would require a bunch of people making individual decisions about receiving welfare based on their religion, and that seems really dubious.
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    It would also require you to accept the premise that those who, according to this board, "view government as their god" are individually less likely to accept government benefits than those who view God as their god...

    And yeah, I can see no compelling explanation for why religiosity would be a driving factor in individual decisions about accepting benefits (or even more so when you look at benefits that are distributed as a lump sum to the state, why having a state full of religious people in itself would make the state more likely to accept federal funds).
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    You mean the states where a vast majority of the 1% live thus skewing their tax stats to make it look like the general population give more? The 1% that pay 37% of the taxes thus...again...skewing the tax numbers to make blue states look awesome? The 1% the liberals hate except the way they pad their tax stats? Those states?
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    Of course, and that makes little sense too. Then again, I tend to subscribe to the belief that regardless of political affiliation, people love government benefits and the rank and file on the right would be arguing just as strongly as on the left not to touch theirs, which reminds me of those town halls a few years ago where folks were yelling at their congresspersons (even in heavily republican districts) not to "touch their medicare"
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