Mob style politics in TX encouraged by PP Prez

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    To add to the health requirements....

    If you're getting a vasectomy, or getting prostate surgery to remove a benign growth, would you want a facility close to a hospital in case they sever a nerve? The nerves around that area, when cut & not repaired quickly, means bye-bye erection. You'd think it was important enough then, right? You'd probably want a general, too, which requires intubation, which is done at hospitals.

    Again, tons of people go through this for any number of conditions and for many reasons. This should be no different.
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    Is there any evidence that they aren't already safe before these changes? It's trying to drive providers out of business by mandating a prohibitively expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist and pretending that safety is the reason for doing so.

    You'd be equally upset if the government mandated that all churches build containment level blastproof perimeter walls, which just so happen to be more expensive than all but 5 churches in Texas can afford, and then claimed that their concern about escalating anti-Christian violence and a desire to make sure the congregation was safe as their reason for doing so.
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    It's a matter of weighing the risk against availability. The highest risk procedures, those performed past 14 weeks, already have to be done in ambulatory surgery centers under Texas law. There's not any evidence, at least none that I'm aware of, that performing early term abortions in a clinical setting is presenting any great health risk in Texas that requires changing that scheme. It's a thinly veiled attempt to put providers out of business, much along the lines of the one that closed all but one clinic in Mississippi a few years ago.
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    I'm sure there are safe facilities. Just as there are safe ambulatory places. But again, there are real & serious complications that ambulatory places can't handle. The intent behind the clause-could care less. But it should be there because if this is going to be legal because it's a "choice" and a medical procedure, then it needs to have safety nets in place from a safety & liability standpoint.

    If you're not going to put those nets in place, then might as well go to the alleys or to some unlicensed person's basement. Worked for enough women, right? Wasn't the whole point of making abortion legal to not only decriminalize it & make it safer?

    Your second part of your reply makes you seem less worried about a woman's safety & more worried about the politics.
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    Without divulging details due to privacy laws, one of the practices I typed for performed these. I remember at least 6 cases of ruptures or other complications, all earlier term, that required emergency transport & surgery. So yes it does happen. Not frequently but like anything medical, there are risks.

    Is it veiled? Perhaps. But if I were pro-abortion and making an INFORMED decision, you're damned straight I'd want an accredited facility with a hospital where I could go in an emergency. If it's important enough to end a life, then it's important enough to go somewhere safe to get it done.
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    The war on women is up there with the Holocaust. We've killed millions of little women. Just think about all of the blood shed that has occurred in the name of reproductive rights. America has been polluted with the blood of all of those innocent children who have succumbed to this infanticide slaughter that we call "reproductive rights."

    Our Declaration of Independence says that rights are endowed by the Creator. Whatever God or idol that you think has endowed women with "reproductive rights" is not the Christian God. It is Satan himself who wages his war on women through these so called "reproductive rights."
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    yet another con trying violate the separation of Church and state.
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    Bigger messes in Texas...
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    The pro-choice position is the religious position. Yes, ultrasound pictures are evil "right wing traps."
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    Did the Declaration of Independence violate the Separation of Church and State when it states that rights are endowed by the Creator? :no: Our own Declaration of Independence even acknowledges that a government cannot properly function without laws that pay respect to our Creator. Laws paying respect to our Creator does not mean that the Church and State have become one unified entity.
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    Of course it didn't, since the Declaration of Independence predates the Constitution and in any case doesn't have any legal force and effect to start with.
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    The left violates separation of church and state quite frequently (visit your inner city for an abundance of examples) and the whack job left media never says anything about it since they only visit these place when there's a murder.
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    The Declaration of Independence had legal force in the sense that it declared the legal force of Britain over the colonies null and void. According to the Declaration of Independence the concept of human rights are understood in light of the existence of a Creator. The left of the political spectrum in general has rejected the teaching of the Declaration of Independence. When people speak of "reproductive rights" there is no concept of it as a right that is endowed by God. To many on the left rights are endowed by the state. And this is why many conservatives, including myself, say that many leftists have a type of religious devotion to the state because God has been replaced by the State as the final authority on human rights.

    There are some people on the left who truly believe that "reproductive rights" are endowed by a deity. And the deities that these people worship are totally foreign to any Christian or Western concept of God. In fact worship of these deities involves a rejection of any Western concept of morality at all.
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    You want to see the religions and faiths that believe in deities who endow "reproductive rights" then check this out. It'll probably blow your mind that this actually happens in America. And this IMO provides the perfect explanation for why I believe planned parenthood defended the killing of children born alive in front of our state legislature.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/OwUOXF3Tbk8?list=SP043C89CDC997A8B2" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    The reality is that pagans and witches are the ones at the forefront of the abortion battle because abortion is a sacrament and form of worship to many pagans and witches. Why don't we hear leftists complaining about the union of paganism, witchcraft, and feminist spirituality with the state when it comes to the issue of abortion?
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    Did someone you know lose their "nerve" recently? :whistle: j/k :grin:
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    Because it's pulled out of someone's ass?

    Or, more specifically, because if you want to make the jump to claiming that secular medical treatment is a religious practice that improperly entangles church and state, you have also advanced the argument in favor of banning childbirth at government-affiliated hospitals since Christians believe that children are a gift from god (and to be completely clear, I think that argument would be equally absurd).

    Also, if you want to make the silly argument that abortion is a pagan religious ceremony, you would potentially be creating a free exercise argument against banning it, which I'm relatively positive isn't your goal.
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    Oh, my.
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    I am just referencing state funded abortions, but religious freedom should not be absolute. And by that I mean that if a religion teaches people to violate the human rights of others, then the followers of that religion should not be allowed to practice that religion in ways that violate the rights of others.

    So for example Islamists should not be allowed to kill the Jews even though their prophet taught them to kill the Jews. For the same reason pagans and witches should not be allowed to slaughter unborn children as sacrifices to Artemis or whatever god or goddess they are sacrificing these unborn children to.

    The mark of many religions and cultures where Christianity's influence is minimal is that the blood of others is to be spilled for the benefit of oneself. The west for about half a millennium has avoided this sort of savage way of life because of Christianity's influence which has taught us that love is to lay down one's own life for a friend just as Jesus did. Jesus did the opposite of abortion. Instead of spilling the blood of others for his own benefit the blood of Jesus was poured out for the benefit of others. With the rejection of Christianity in the west we see this savage way of life rearing its head once again as millions of people spill the blood of unborn children for their own prosperity. It's not much different than people thousands of years ago who sacrificed their born children to pagan gods and goddesses for their own prosperity.

    If Jesus lived the perfect life, then doing the opposite of what Jesus did is absolutely evil. Abortion is antichrist.
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    So river and old...did you actually watch any of the video?
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    Nope. But before my myriad of illnesses and dropping out, I was going into nursing, specifically surgical nursing. So this is one of the things we went over - the severing of nerves and their side effects, including the corpora cavernosa nerves. They can sometimes be saved using nerve grafts from the sural nerve on the ankle for example. Slim chance, but you stand a better chance with a hospital nearby versus just at a regular ambulatory service that has nothing nearby.

    So in any event just wanted to use a "male" example to show why you'd feel safer with a proper facility that has a hospital on standby. If it was your "nerve" in jeopardy, you'd do anything to have it done right ;)

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