Migration of Personal Income between states

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  1. MichaelJoeWilliamson
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    Not a perfect correlation, but a lot of this migration looks like it is going from high tax states to lower taxed states. Especially the ones with the deepest losses.

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    One wonders if it is causal?

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/0...d-states-for-republican-ones-in-droves//#more
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    Compare this map with the first one

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    Interesting. The owner of one of our major aircraft parts suppliers were visiting our office this week in West Palm Beach.

    They have maintained a business in New York for over 20 years, but have decided to relocate their offices and wearhouse to Florida specifically because of the stifling taxes they face in New York.
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    Love it!!!
    Tax more...get less.
    A lesson libbies have a hard time understanding.
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    When these states stop sucking up federal money, they can get a pat on the back...until then, they are just getting subsidized by those higher taxed states
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    For the most part, that map shows the same pattern that has been the case for decades - migration from the NE and MW to the south and west. California is the notable exception, but there are a bunch or reasons for that change - finally hitting a point of population saturation, unrealistic home prices, loss of defense jobs, collapse of the mortgage industry that had massive roots in Orange County, loss of illegal immigrants when the crash happened, and for some I am sure taxes as well.
    I am just always skeptical when a company founded on the issue of taxes makes a sweeping statement about what is an extremely complicated socioeconomic problem.
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    Have you ever considered that these state are receiving money are actually being invested in by the Feds. Also, instead of being a black hole these states are generating economic activity (tax revenue, payroll, goods, services, profits).
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    Interesting that they used "tax collections per capita". It seems like that would make places like California, New York, and Massachusetts look like they have even higher taxes, since they have higher incomes. You could probably take per capita collections and divide it by per capita income to get a more accurate measure. Although I'm guessing that a part of why the Tax Foundation chose this measure is exactly because of that effect.

    Aside from that, if you want to use these two maps to explain the migration of personal incomes in terms of tax avoidance, you have to explain why Oregon, with higher tax collections, is near the top in gained personal incomes, while California, with lower tax collections is near the top in lost personal incomes. Or how North Carolina is at #13 for high tax collections and #4 in gaining personal incomes.

    There is definitely a trend of migration towards states with low taxes, but I'm betting the correlation isn't any better than 0.5. But if you post it as a map, without the actual numbers, and point people towards what you want them to see, you could get them to believe it is higher than that :)
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    Gee what a shocker, people trying to get away from Libs.
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    14 of the states showing a net gain were states that went for Romney, 12 went for Obama, with NC and who voted for Obama in 2008 being the swing vote. It's a statistically insignificant difference. But people see what they want to see I guess.
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    Actually, its more about people wanting to move away from states with high income taxes. When I last checked Florida, at the top, went to Obama last year as did Nevada at number 4.
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    Are you saying that Florida gets more money from the government than it's citizens pay to the government in revenue/taxes?

    Linky?

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