Michael Sam is on course to cause some major issues

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    It's not my job to keep you from making faulty assumptions. I'd never get any sleep.

    Secondly, how is that off topic? Did you even read the article you posted? From YOUR link - Doyel and Whitlock both think he's asking for trouble because he kissed his boyfriend on TV. Like I said, bigoted.
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    :rolleyes: seriously?
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    Getting the feeling that certain folks want him to fail, just so they can say; "I told you so!"
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    Which is the exact reason I wish he'd simply take care of buisness first, make the team and forgo the t.v. show and media circus.
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    Shouldn't you let him play a couple downs before you decide that?
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    I am just tired of hearing about all the poor and mistreated homosexuals
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    I will happily eat my words if he shows he's talented enough and plays well enough to make a spot on the roster based on his skill. I don't want him to fail. Frankly, other than the issue that it raises about double standards, I don't have a personal problem with the kid - I just haven't seen enough to say that he'd make a team, and now there's this media frenzy/documentary/ etc deal.

    Before you compare it to Tebow - Tebow was an incredible talent coming out of high school and played pretty much at the highest level all of those 4 years at UF, and was part of 2 NC teams and won the Heisman.

    What has Michael Sam done, other than come out of the closet? Many people come out of the closet daily. ESPN isn't doing documentaries on them. Being a gay athlete is nothing new. Pretty sure there's been gay football players before - just kept quiet about it.

    Let him earn it (or lose it) on the field and that's it. The problem is that if he's cut people are going to raise a huge stink about it and claim it's because of his sexuality. So yeah, let the field decide it.
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    Consensus All American And SEC Defensive Player of the Year. - Voted on before coming out, so no "gay agenda"
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    Yep...and how many other Consensus All American and SEC (or other conference) "Defensive Player of the Year" players have gotten documentaries by Oprah?
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    Honestly I think this post and the rest you have in the thread demonstrate your lack of knowledge of how the NFL operates.

    You somehow think he will be kept on the team because he is gay rather than based on merit. I have never seen an NFL team keep a distraction unless his play was damn well worth it. Chris Kluwe was statistically better punter last year when he was cut by the Vikings than he was when he was kept. He spoke too much about gay rights and became more trouble than he was worth to the NFL. Tim Tebow is, without a doubt, good enough to be an NFL backup QB. He currently is sitting at home because he is too much of a distraction for teams to care about.

    Sam received Defensive Player of the YEar in the best conference in the country because he excels at pass rushing. He is quite weak at about every other aspect of DE. The St. Louis Rams have two high quality starting DEs and a very reliable backup. He is competing for the 4th spot as a DE (or 5th if they happen to need it) on a team as a pass rush specialist. If Greg Williams thinks he will be useful on passing downs as a sub then he will end up making the team. If Greg Williams does not think he can pass rush effectively in the NFL he will be off the team as this is his only asset. If he becomes a distraction in the locker room he will be off the team.

    The NFL isn't PC. The NFL isn't about making friends. The NFL is about winning football games. No coach or GM is putting his job on the line to keep a 4th string pass rusher who is clashing with teammates. That is how you lose games and that is how you get fired.
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    And you're right - I'm no football expert. This is also Too Hot. And I hope you're right and others, too - that his spot on a team will be based on his skill versus trying to be PC or trying to appease a particular group.

    It just seems like there's an agenda attached to him from the beginning, and folks will be pushing that agenda, investing their time, money, etc, into that agenda, and if he gets cut...well, then that puts them in an awkward position. So I hope we can all agree that he be judged on his merit and not orientation...which would also go to say that he shouldn't also be given special treatment because of his orientation.
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    Being the first openly gay player drafted is going to merit some attention. You can't expect it not to. I personally hope he doesn't let it all become personally bigger than making the team. There's a reason HBO is no longer welcome at camp.
    And let's not forget the documentaries aren't new. I recall a player having one coming out of high school.
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    If he doesn't make the team, the outrage that will follow will be completely new to the NFL. As soon as Sam admitted he was gay, the NFL was in a box.
    A marginal player, one who contributes little would have to go.
    Personally I could not care less one way or the other. It's his life and he can live it anyway he wants to, but the public doesn't have to live it with him, unless they desire.
    Will there ever be a comment about him, a story written, that will not say he is gay?
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    The cons sure are upset about this guy.
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    Don't know about the "cons" but what I'm upset by is the situation evolving around the guy. Michael Sam's never done anything to me, and while I disagree with his lifestyle, I'm not God to judge. Had plenty of fellow dancers who were gay and we were friends. They were never in your face about it, and didn't judge me on my belief, nor I them. We just did our jobs.

    Again, my "upset" is with the double standard/hypocrisy aspect of things. I've talked about that in other threads WRT other issues, so it's not a gay thing.
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    Seems like there are a few that failed to even read the OP. Oprah's network following Sam around in camp, what could possible be the problem. I mean it seems like such a natural fit.
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    No they aren't new, and even with Tebow that was one of the many nails in the proverbial coffin for him - the hype machine was too much. He also had the situation not only of who he was as a player and a person but I believe this was also around the time of the home schooling and sports thing, which is/was a nationwide debate as well.

    And yes, I thought the coverage was excessive with Tebow as well.
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    I did read the op. and if the doc. is the possible problem. guess everyone's issues are quelled. Including mine.

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    Not talking about you anstro, we do not agree much on politics but you're never one to hijack a thread. I respect your posts and opinions.
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    You really seem to have a lot of concern for that one player who might not make the team because Sam does. Of course you absolutely know that Sam has no business being on an NFL roster and that he's going to cheat someone out of a roster spot by exploiting his extravagant in-your-face gay lifestyle.
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