Meanwhile, we made a deal with Iran

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    So Saudi Arabia says it's OK with the deal, but you assure us that your inside knowledge shows that they're really unhappy with it.
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    I link an article that is contrary to Ora's findings. Even Ora's link says they are cautious which is not exactly a ringing endorsement. Why exactly were they left out of the deal?
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    History shows that the official statement is substantially more reserved than the true royal sentiment.
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    I think you underestimate how important Syria is to Iran. If they lose Syria they lose their link to Hezbollah and they have continued to fund Syria despite the sanctions, which have largely hurt the populace. They are not calculating in terms of dollars, this is an existential threat to them. Iran has been creating a shiite sphere of influence since the Iran-Iraq war and their conviction goes beyond throwing a few bombs and then walking away, which is how America is perceived. The Quds force largely led by Suleimani, exert far more influence than the US in the region.
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    No I do not. If Iran does not get a cash infusion they will not be able to continue the level of support they have been providing to Syria. Fortunately for them 0 is going to give them the cash they so desperately need
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    Iran isn't getting any money up front to save their economy. The deal is outlined in this article, they get the money for cooperation and not prior, and much of the money goes to paying for things like student foreign education and car parts.
    This is an Iranian expert's analysis on what it means for the country:

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...tle-to-lift-crippled-economy-experts-say?lite
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    Nonsense, that's a complete misreading of the agreement.
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    I don't know if we can wait till Saturday to drop Brody off at the Iranian border so he can take out Iran's #2... Better call Saul
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    from the wsj this am. Sources vary from $4.5B to $7B in immediate release of frozen funds due from old oil sales that were not settled when the sanctions went into place. In 6 months, they should be able to export of a LOT of refined petroleum products (jet fuel, gasoline, diesel) that they could not before. This is an end run around the limits on exporting oil and will make them billions more. It also lets them indirectly fund Syria and Hezbollah with refined fuels.

    The EU, especially the south EU, sees Iran as a quick cash infusion due to enormous pent up demand for spare parts and replacement items. Planes, trains, and automobiles. Instant demand. Big oil wants in and not US big oil. Total, BP, Respol, and even Indian capital wants into Iranian oil fields that desperately need infusion of capital and technology. Chasing the buck and forgetting about the nuke. That is what will get us closer to them having a nuke and military action being required to stop that from happening

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304465604579220531429916624
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    EArlier complaints here said the money was coming from US pockets
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    It's not an immediate release of funds, it is contigent on cooperation in stages.. The auto parts are limited as well - both were in the article I provided last night.


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    The rightwing response has been pretty ridiculous, but I guess typical: Eerily similar to Hitler, worse than Munich, etc., etc.
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    What's even more embarrassing - wait, make that amusing - is watching the hypocrite Bush fanboys like YOU pretend to care that much about our budget........after so loving the $2 trillion debacle invasion of Iraq to deliver it as a vassal state to Iran.

    But yes.....come back here and point fingers and complain about foreign policy NOW.......as if the record of what YOU voted for won't be a permanent demolition of any credibility you might ever have had. Because it's funny to watch. :)
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    but they promised that they will not fuel it up when they finish building their heavy water plutonium reactor so it is ok if they keep working on it
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    As usual......we are in the Golden Age of hypocritical righty whining. They were all just waiting to see if the talking points were ;

    "Waaaah, Obama can't get a deal done with Iran. He's terrible !!!!" or
    "Waaaah, Obama did a deal with Iran. He's terrible."


    All I can say is........sure is great to have THIS guy in the White House instead of the one these whiners voted for. You know.....the one that (with their strong endorsement) lied us into a $2 trillion invasion of Iraq, delivering it to Iran as a vassal state.

    So whine on, hypocrites. It's your Golden Age !! :)
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    Are we witnessing the return of LavaLizard?
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    Nah, that was (emphasis on "was") Blake or Truman. Hard to tell them apart. Lava was much more inclined to use four letter words and more scathing insults.
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    Seems to me that this whole nuke deal is contingent on Iran keeping its word. In other words, its worthless. All it did was take economic pressure off them. imo, look for Iran to be nuclear capable within a year or two at the most.

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