Meanwhile, we made a deal with Iran

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    Iran nuclear deal: Saudi Arabia warns it will strike out on its own

    which is code for we are buying nukes from Pakistan
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    I understand where the real war is and how it is playing out. I also understand which side of that war is the aggressor and has and continues to openly sponsor terrorism worldwide.

    I also understand that the cost to support Hezbollah and Syria is bankrupting Iran. Why do you think they want the sanctions lifted? Coincidence maybe??

    I also understand that alienating SA and providing motivation for their wealthy fundamentalist Sunni to fund AQ even more is not a good thing for the King of SA or for the US. He is fighting a war within his country to control the radical elements and the US helping Iran is not helping him

    Surgical strikes against the brother that ordered the strikes and the Assad family compounds would send a clear message to the next thug that thought about using chemical weapons. It will not be tolerated and there will be close, personal collateral damage to what you value. Crossing the line comes at a price. Now, the next thug will feel even less trepidation about using wmd's to terrorize.
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    Iran will not agree to dismantle their enrichment facilities until they are at the edge of internal chaos from lack of funding. It simply is not going to happen. Giving them time and funding to continue to advance their program just puts us closer to war, not further from it. Intensify the sanctions and choke their economy and their ability to sponsor Hezbollah and keep the qurds and republican guard fat and happy and then the ayatollah will have no choice if they want to remain in power.
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    Why does it put us closer to war?
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    The claim that Obama only did this to distract from the ACA is pretty funny. One minute you're claiming he's completely incompetent and powerless, the next he's orchestrating all the major powers on the planet.
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    You know what I think puts us closer to war? Glad you asked.

    Our eternal, ongoing, nonstop meddling in the internal workings of other countries. Our extreme arrogance that we have some God-given right to tell every other country on the face of the planet what to do and what not to do. That, in the face of of us not even being able to get our own house in order.
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    Are you referring to me?
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    anyone who's making that claim.
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    I know where you're going with this and Lord knows, I agree to an extent.

    But it's not like we're the only ones telling Iran "no" here. Even the Russians and Chinese see the wisdom in making sure Iran never gets the bomb.
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    I made the claim that this was intentionally leaked at this time in an effort to take Obamacare off the hot burner. I know this whole negotiation is not his deal per se but he was sure puffing out his chest. Now it looks like this wasn't such a good deal.
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    And I understand why to an extent. However from what was posted up-thread it appears they are on board with this agreement.

    My biggest problem is how we go about doing things. It reminds me of some guy who bullies others, makes passes at their wives, and in general goes through life like a bull in a China Shop and then wonders why folks don't react favorably to him.
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    Obviously the major powers in the world disagree with you.
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    The two major powers in the neighborhood say this is a bad deal.
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    Syria can't have WMD's but Iran can have nukes.

    Got it.
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    Saudi Arabia cautiously endorsed the deal.

    http://www.arabnews.com/news/482896

    Iraq endorsed it, as did Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey etc.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/qatar-kuwait-praise-iran-nuclear-deal/1796916.html

    So who is left? Netanyahu and conservatives here, and oh, Hamas doesn't like it apparently. Same people that always disagree with a democratic president.
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    it gives them the two things they need to finish their work on a nuke. time and money.

    especially money. their currency is in shambles and the natives are getting restless. they have to provide a certain standard of living to retain the loyalty of the quds and the republican guard. they have to fund massive recruiting machine to keep feeding young men into Hezbollah. they are running out of cash to keep the masses happy and this relieves that pressure.


    Do you agree that the closer they get to a nuke the closer we are to war?

    all it gets us is a look at what they are willing to show us.

    6 months from now the only thing that will have changed is they now have been recapitalized and are better suited to withstand the sanctions until they can complete their work. I hope I am wrong.
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    I think you are taking a leap on Saudi's response. They are completely not happy about being left in the dark from western allies. Why would you do that?
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    The story I linked is from what is basically a state approved newspaper in Saudi Arabia, they say they "welcome" the agreement in both the title and in the text of the article. Not sure how that could be considered a leap.

    If I had to guess, the three gulf states that met last weekend all decided they had more to lose if this failed than if it succeeded and set aside some of their concerns while the interim negotiation (6 month window) was being worked out. If it fails they will yell the loudest and longest though.

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