Meanwhile, we made a deal with Iran

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    Well, regardless of what the righties think, we have a deal that seems promising. We'll know more in six months. I just hope that the righties don't try to sabotage peace.
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    Lifting sanctions that took years to put in place with the full ability of Iran to continue to enrich uranium and produce a nuclear weapon in the most unstable part of the world that could exterminate the only democracy in the region and attack another ally that is a primary provider of our oil supply = peace.

    How incredibly and dangerously naive.
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    We lifted $7B while we still have 100's of billions held. For that we get this:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kerry-defends-iran-deal-to-abc-cant-always-start-where-you-want-to-wind-up/
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    The Saudi's and the Israeli's both don't like it.
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    United States, France, Germany, Britain, China and Russia signed off on it.
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    Neither do the turks

    How many agreements has Iran honored? 0 for 2 soon to be 0 for 3 once they get enough cash to continue to fund Hezbollah and chase their nuclear bomb.

    Images of Charlie Brown kicking a football come to mind.
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    Naive idiot. Kicking the can down the road just increases the chances of violence as it emboldens the persians and makes the Arabs and the jews more on edge
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    Iran saw 0 whimper away from his red line in Syria and figured if he would back down from a lightweight like Assad that he was a toothless tiger ready to be trained to obey. 0 should have increased sanctions as sceduled until Iran complied with the UN Resolutions and the world would have continued to spin
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    War. What we need is war. More War. To heck with this negotiating business.
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    I don't intend to equate Israel to Iran but, nonetheless, I thought this was an interesting article about AIPAC's influence over Congress.

    Iran's Nukes: 2 Elephants in the Room
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    Well this is going to ultimately get us closer. What we needed were stricter sanctions with fewer waivers until Iran complied with the UN security Council resolutions and their previous agreements
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    Iran already threatening to refuse to honor the agreement


    like the US is the one that has failed to honor previous agreements
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    The righties will do just about anything to undermine BO being a successful president and that includes any possibility of normalizing our relationship with Iran. They are not shy about borrowing from Tricky Dick's playbook.
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    Correct. I was wrong and was working from memory.Turkey is supporting the deal. They are one of the biggest importers of Iranian oil and formrly one of their biggest trading partners so allowing more exports is in their best interests.
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    So we have created a process where Syria's chemical weapon's stockpile is being dismantled and Iran's capability to build a nuclear weapon has been halted and this was accomplished without bombing something - must be wrong somehow
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    what Syria has declared and they deem to be in safe territory is being dismantled, after they used them on civilians multiple times and pissed on 0's red line with impunity.

    and all we have done is secure some promises from a rogue country that is the world leading sponsor of terrorism to do certain things well short of dismantling their nuclear program in exchange for enough cash and spare parts to reinvigorate their economy and give them enough cash to continue to fund Hezbollah in Syria. and what ahs been the record of honoring their agreements? would you loan money to your neighbor a third time when he failed to repay you the previous two times? Iran is stalling for time and making empty promises to recapitalzie their treasury before telling the world to f off again. time will tell but time is something they want right now. I hope I am wrong,

    and I repeat that I am not advocating bombing Iran but do advocate ratcheting up the sanctions and eliminating the exemptions that allow countries to import Iranian oil.

    And who is being held accountable for the crimes against humanity of using the chemical weapons on civilians? Anybody? Is that okie dokie with u? We should have struck Syrian forces the day after the gas attacks like we said we would. Surgical, tactical strikes to take out their command and control. There was proof that the attack was ordered by Assad's brother and the US had the intrcepts to confirm it.

    Ayatollah, Assad, Putin all laughing at the once mighty US right now but I guess it is better to capitulate when facing adversity than using force to convince your opposition that when you say something you mean it. This appeasement stratgy has never worked and it never will. See NK.
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    The real war is between sunni and shiite and no sanctions or 'surgical strikes' will prevent that war from continuing. Iran will not allow Syria to fall to the rebels, no matter what. That goes way beyond what America can control with or without force.

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