Meanwhile, we made a deal with Iran

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    There can certainly be a reasonable debate, but keep in mind negotiations aren't one way.
    Whatever deal the Iranian delegation takes back has to be acceptable to a country that has been trained to hate us longer than the majority of its citizens have even been alive. It also has to get last the mullahs and not undermine the new president.

    I get the argument that we should make them beg for mercy and complete capitulation, by the last time we did that we got the Wiemar republic and eventually WWII. And keep in mind, even the terms of the deal aren't what Israel is complaining about, they just think they will lie and obfuscate.
    This deal is only 6 months, if it fails then the international community has cause to take more drastic steps.

    One other point, there have been posts here in the last 24 hours that we have not done enough on China, Syria, Iran etc., we aren't capable of the reach needed to clean up the whole world - that would require threat of military force in a of these ages, at a time we are not ony stretched around the world militarily, but broke, and oh yeah, completely tired of war and intervention as a country.

    We aren't superheroes, we can't fix everything, nor should we.
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    Here's what President Shimon Peres of Israel said about this agreement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/world/middleeast/israeli-leaders-decry-iran-accord.html?_r=0
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    Pubs reaction to this agreement is reprehensible. What else is new, though. Pubs don't mind riding the neocon's bandwagon if it has a chance to undermine BO's agenda. Party and politics before country and now before peace.


    Surprise! Republicans Criticize Iran Deal
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    The President of Israel has roughly the same amount of power as the Queen of England. Take a look at what the Prime Minister is saying. That's where the rubber hits the road there. And, I'll warn you...you won't like what you see.

    Netanyahu: Iran deal a "historic mistake"

    This is an awful deal and, just because the Israelis use their President to make the criticism more palpable, doesn't mean it is any less valid. Netanyahu is right. This "deal" is horrible.
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    Disapproval has actually been fairly bipartisan. Not all Democrats like the feel of Persian Piss in their face, it seems.
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    And then there is the other half of Israel that doesn't agree with Netanyahu. Make sure you get their side.
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    Yeah...I'm sure you'll see a "no confidence" vote over this one in the Jerusalem Post next week.

    :roll:
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    No, just a lot of Israelis who aren't hawks and believe that diplomacy is the way to go.
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    Diplomacy doesn't mean allowing a nation that has threatened your extermination to continue to enrich uranium. And if you think so, you're delusional.
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    I wholeheartedly agree with Kerry.

    Kerry Defends Iran Deal to ABC: ‘Can’t Always Start Where You Want to Wind Up’

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    They've been saying this rhetoric for years. It shouldn't stop us from trying to turn Iran country around.
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    Yes, well, as you typically post as an Administration fanboy, I'm hardly surprised.
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    Yes, and for years they have been trying to enrich weapons-grade uranium, but haven't yet had the capability in light of the sanctions that were pretty much lifted and took years to put in place and due to the sabotage that likely Mossad and Shin Bet used to keep them from doing so. Now, next week they can change their mind and pick up where they left off.

    Bravo. Wonderful diplomacy. :roll:
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    Iran also says death to America, the Great Satan. You mean to tell me that would impede you from trying to impose what we desire through negotiations. The sanctions are working and this is just the next step.
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    And you don't think that if they had the capability to do so, that is exactly what they would do?!?!?! Geez, you really are naive. The whole point was to eliminate their capability to do so in the Middle East as well. On that scale, this is a complete failure.
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    Change is good. You should give it a shot. I'm sure that there are many, many Iranians that want to.
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    Oh...I'm sure there are many, many Iranians--including the Supreme Leader--who would be more than happy to give up nothing and put on the sham this Administration just agreed to in order to lift the sanctions that were actually working.

    Again, the purpose of the diplomacy was to avoid the military need to eliminate the capability of Iran to produce a nuclear weapon. This agreement, judged on that scale, is a complete failure and lifts the pressure that was working for no real benefit. So, put as much lipstick on that pig as you like, but it's still a pig.
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    None of whom happen to rule the country.

    But do say more about everybody else.

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