Meanwhile, we made a deal with Iran

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. OklahomaGator
    Online

    OklahomaGator Jedi Moderator VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    36,546
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Miami, OK
    Ratings Received:
    +3,397
    Isn't it just for 6 months? Surprised it wasn't until after the next election!
  2. Lawdog88
    Offline

    Lawdog88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    30,939
    Likes Received:
    654
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Inside the War Room, No Name City, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +2,370

    Now he can do some struttin', no doubt about that.

    So if we don't give them some money, they will secretly create nuclear weapons, and use them.

    So if we give them some money, they will super-secretly create nuclear weapons, and use them.

    Oh, and thanks for the money.

    But hey, they wouldn't lie to the infidels, would they ? :huh: :laugh:
  3. G8trGr8t
    Offline

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    15,234
    Likes Received:
    1,225
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SW Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +2,905
    N Korea part deaux. They get re capitalized and refresh all their spare parts before violating the terms like they did with the first 2 agreements they signed.
  4. rivergator
    Online

    rivergator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    32,630
    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +2,361
    which money did we give our of own wallet?
  5. wargunfan
    Offline

    wargunfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2010
    Messages:
    4,567
    Likes Received:
    149
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Inside your head.
    Ratings Received:
    +189
    The mullahs only understand determined power, which was represented by the sanctions cripling their economy. We had them at the point of capitulating to Western demands for a dismantling of their weapons program. A further turning of the screws may just have been the breaking point.

    The mullahs also understand weakness. They have been watching as Obama floundered in Syria and sank in the swamp of Obamacare. They knew that with his approval ratings tanking Obama was vulnerable to a deal...any deal that would change the conversation.

    The mullahs have succeded in taking advantage of Obama's weakness and vulnerability to void all the work of the sanctions to date. Now, when this agreement is violated (as it surely will be) the West must start over in the effort to prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon.

    So it seems that the major obstacle to the dismantling of Iran's nuclear weapons program is a weak U.S. president and the embarassing, public failure of Obamacare.
  6. Lawdog88
    Offline

    Lawdog88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    30,939
    Likes Received:
    654
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Inside the War Room, No Name City, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +2,370
    Straight from the playbook of Nevile Chamberlain.
  7. rivergator
    Online

    rivergator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    32,630
    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +2,361
    can't resist

    link
    • Like Like x 1
  8. chompalot
    Offline

    chompalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    9,339
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +495
    River, that's a good one.

    LD, how is this agreement taken from the Neville Chamberlain playbook? Please don't say he is appeasing cause that would be a pathetic answer.
  9. gatorev12
    Offline

    gatorev12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    11,869
    Likes Received:
    340
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,750
    ...did you miss the Ayatollah's speech this week? Where he blasts the US, Israel, France, and the West? Reiterates that Iran will continue to do what it wants when it comes to nuclear enrichment?

    Not exactly the dialogue of a guy who embraces a deal and wants peace.

    Chamberlain looks like a fool in retrospect because it's not like Hitler ever changed his tune. Germany wanted land and territory and Hitler said that before and after their "agreement for peace."

    Given how often the Iranians have broken treaties in the first place, why should anyone trust them?
  10. G8trGr8t
    Offline

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    15,234
    Likes Received:
    1,225
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SW Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +2,905
    Because 0 needed a distraction
  11. rivergator
    Online

    rivergator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    32,630
    Likes Received:
    453
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +2,361
    The ACA rollout has been a mess, no doubt about it. But that hardly means the rest of the world is supposed to stand still
  12. chompalot
    Offline

    chompalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    9,339
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +495
    Talking to work out our differences would be a good thing I would think. The only way we are going to solve the problems in the Middle East is through diplomacy. This deal hopefully will be a stepping stone to that end. This agreement is about building trust.
  13. gatorev12
    Offline

    gatorev12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    11,869
    Likes Received:
    340
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,750
    So bury your head in the sand. Got it. That's your solution.
  14. cocodrilo
    Online

    cocodrilo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    11,763
    Likes Received:
    296
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,768
    Kerry has arrived in London from Munich, I mean Geneva, and has announced "peace in our time."
  15. gatorman_07732
    Offline

    gatorman_07732 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2007
    Messages:
    32,641
    Likes Received:
    2,511
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The Irish Riviera
    Ratings Received:
    +5,252
    The administration is pulling anything they can out of their hat to change the narrative. It's just not going to work.
  16. asuragator
    Offline

    asuragator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2009
    Messages:
    20,534
    Likes Received:
    4,091
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings Received:
    +6,085
    I am pretty sure they are hoping to benefit from it, but it's naive and kind of silly to think that is the reason they are pursuing this. To believe otherwise, one would have to ignore the fact that the Iranian nuclear ambitions have been pretty central to geopolitics.
  17. gatorman_07732
    Offline

    gatorman_07732 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2007
    Messages:
    32,641
    Likes Received:
    2,511
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The Irish Riviera
    Ratings Received:
    +5,252
    What I do know is this administration is desperate to take the focus of his disaster legislation.
  18. texigator
    Offline

    texigator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    16,021
    Likes Received:
    160
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Criminole, Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +507
    Consider the source-John Kerry and the Obama Administration.

    What a bunch of LOSERS.
  19. chompalot
    Offline

    chompalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    9,339
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +495
    Here's an excellent synopsis concerning some of the maneuvers that have gone on and are going on with this deal.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2013/11/24/a-saudi-israeli-defeat-on-iran-deal/

  20. MichiGator2002
    Online

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    16,968
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings Received:
    +3,715
    I don't think Chamberlain is a fair comparison either. I don't recall Chamberlain offering $7 billion to Hitler on behalf of the rest of Western Europe in exchange for absolutely nothing of substance. Don't insult Chamberlain like that.

Share This Page