March on Washington 50th Anniversary

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    Its the flag of a group of people that wanted to secede from our nation....traitors
    Plain & simple.


    I put it in the same ballpark as a Nazi flag, or a Klan Flag.
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    Wow. Double wow.

    I guess I was wrong. Not only do you need an American History refresher, you need a World History one as well.
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    My ranking of flags tells you a need a refresher in history?


    :whistle:
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    Yes it does. A very thorough one.
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    So I dislike the confederate flag as much as a Nazi flag, or a klan flag, and you can tell I need a history refresher?
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    Nope. Not weird. Just someone who knows what each of those flags "stands for"
    Nazi flag stands on its own
    Klan flag..as bad as the Klan is...not good
    Confederate flag. Too be in the same league with the Nazi flag and to a degree the Klan flag is just flat out ignorant.
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    OK folks, let's try to dial it back a little bit.
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    Here's my contribution:

    At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.

    At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

    At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

    At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. Also could write in Greek with one hand while writing the same in Latin with the other.

    At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

    At 23, started his own law practice.

    At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

    At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America? And retired from his law practice.

    At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.

    At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.

    At 33, took three years to revise Virginia's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

    At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.

    At 40, served in Congress for two years.

    At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.

    At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.

    At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.

    At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.

    At 57, was elected the third president of the United States.

    At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.

    At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

    At 65, retired to Monticello.

    At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

    At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.

    At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.

    Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

    John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

    "When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."

    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

    -- Thomas Jefferson

    Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

    "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

    If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
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    TJ was a quote machine. Wise dude.
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    Who is talking about what each stands for?


    This discussion was about flag designs...what people like and what people don't like

    I said I hate a confederate flag like a Nazi or Klan flag versus a flag with Obama's face because the Confederate, Nazi, Klan flags are the symbols of actual groups...


    Obama's flag is a design style for a protest prop or instrument...

    Kinda like deciding to dress up in a minuteman outfit for a rally...
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    Thomas Jefferson has a interesting connection to MLK that they were talking about today during the TV broadcast....
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    More the latter than the former, but there is room for both.

    There is no way to defend turning the flag into homage paid to any one man, without offending the proposition behind the proposition nation for which it stands. Not even for George Washington. That is the sort of flag subjects wave.

    I don't mind flag t-shirts, towels, etc -- I am not that over the top. But a substantive change to the actual content? No excuse. The symbolism is probably intentional, too; the star field that identifies the union of sovereign states that make up bye country and give it its name, replaced by a man, one man above all. Much like that campaign art last year where it was the campaign logo.

    It is repulsive, offensive, and I would have wanted to nutslap the guy had he unfurled it in front of me.
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    996- I am okay if you are still insulted over a flag from 150+ years ago

    so why should you find it upsetting if I find an American Flag desecrated by a picture of Obama insulting
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    In another thread, I was asked if, in my opinion, any of our Too Hot regulars displayed any symptoms of "white guilt." At that time, I was hard pressed to name one.

    Well, I will say, here and now, that if 996 is white, he is the epitome of a person afflicted with 'white guilt.'
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    Hear, hear!
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    I know a guy who's such a hardliner he can't stand the sports related flags that have the star field and bars..even though there is no red or blue.

    Sent from my mind using ESP
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    Like I said bil

    One was a "real" flag....

    The other is a protest prop....


    I don't find it "upsetting"...I find it to be a strange comparison...

    How do you rank other fictional items (Obama flag) versus real world items (confederate flag) ?


    Equal in importance?


    Do Che T-shirts make your blood boil? :laugh:
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    No group is represented by this flag

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    A flag represents whoever raises it, now and before. Has nobody ever explained the whole flag/banner concept to you? History and purpose?

    And, yes, Che garb offends. Che was a butcher, a monster, and when you see him celebrated, it announces sickness, or ignorance, or both. But at least that fact has some value, like Bill Engvall's "here's your sign" bit brought to life.

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