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  1. OaktownGator

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    Thread for posting independent ratings of Media Sources.

    This thread is not for arguing our own partisan biases. We do plenty of that elsewhere.

    Pubs who believe FNC is the "truth" will never agree with Dems who believe MSNBC is the "truth" and vice versa.. so let's not waste time with that stuff.

    If you have reference to an independent review/rating of media sources feel free to add for reference.

    This should hopefully give us all a little better reference point for the level of quality and bias in the media we consume.

    Here is one such reference point. Not meant to be the end all, be all... just a decent starting point.

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    From Forbes, an article on news sources where you will find real facts: 10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts

    The rest of his top ten in order:
    4. BBC
    5. The Economist
    6. The New Yorker
    7. Wire Services: AP, Reuters, Bloomberg
    8. Foreign Affairs
    9. The Atlantic
    10. Politico

    Runners Up: NPR, Time, Christian Science Monitor, LA Times, USA Today, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN
    (I think this list should include just the Fox News show and not the Fox News Channel overall, but FNC didn't cut it and neither did MSNBC - no real surprise for either)

    Business News Sources: Forbes, Bloomberg BusinessWeek, Fortune, Financial Times

    From the Right: National Review, Weekly Standard

    From the Left: New Republic, The Nation
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    Here's another similar chart with some different categorizations. I don't know if I agree with it all, but pretty much any chart thrown up here while lacking qualitative and quantitative criteria used to evaluate them is going to be pure speculation. For example Fox News gets bashed because of Hannity et al, but their hard news coverage is pretty good. Wapo has some similar crazy opinion writers, but the opinion pieces are a much smaller portion of their product. ABC News is up at the top with factual reporting, but that's only their news show. What if you throw in The View and their Sunday show to make it comparable to the cable news networks? MSNBC is in the "fair opinion" section which is crap since they are just as biased as Fox, but don't stray from the facts as often.

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    All Generalizations are False - Home of the Media Bias Chart
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    This shows the news programs separated out from the totality of the network programing.
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    Guys and gals - lets post informational references in here.

    Nothing personal, but deleting the conversation as it distracts from this as a reference tool. Please feel free to post other references.
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    Maybe the reason you have to keep deleting posts is that nobody understands the point of this exercise? Perhaps a better explanation is in order?

    You're never going to form a consensus here about which media sources are more reliable or less biased than others, if that's what you're thinking. It doesn't matter how many charts you post. Any so-called "independent" analysis that purports to measure bias is inevitably going to be fraught with biases of its own.

    Moreover, I highly doubt that posters here feel like they want or need, a "reference point for the level of quality and bias in the media we consume." I find that idea condescending and patronizing, and doubt I'm alone. I'm sure there are others on "both sides of the aisle" who feel the same way.
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    If someone posts something from The Texas Tribune or The Mises Institute I highly doubt posters would know what there political leanings are without looking it up. Just trying to give people a quick reference where they can look it up.

    We are not trying to form a consensus on anything. If you have a reference chart you would like to post, feel free. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
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    Here is a nice source of left / right bias ratings. I use it when people link obscure news sites. 9 times out of 10 they have a rating although usually my spam filter lets me know if it is a whack job site posted by the usuals.

    Media Bias Ratings

    Their 'balanced' news page presents stories on the left side from sites it ranks as lefty, center from the center, and right from the righties. More fun than a ball of string.

    AllSides | Balanced news via media bias ratings for an unbiased news perspective
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    So, this'll make it quicker and more convenient for folks to post their snarky little one-liners dismissing thread topics out-of-hand without even reading the OP, because the source is labeled as "biased" on some reference chart? Sorry, honestly not trying to belabor the point, just really don't see the utility of this?
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    That's fine, you don't have to use it.
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    Where does PBS fit in? I watch them regularly.
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    The PBS Newshour was in the first chart, just slightly to the left of neutral. Of course, that is the opinion of the people who made the chart.
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    When are we going to get a 24/7 Ron Paul channel?
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    What is the one just above Infowars in the first pic?
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    Family Research Council?
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    Thanks, that looks like the correct logo.
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    What happens when Drudge links to a Reuters article?
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