Lindsey Graham: GOP faces ‘demographic death spiral’ without immigration reform

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    He's right


    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/17/lindsey-graham-gop-faces-demographic-death-spiral-without-immigration-reform/
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    He's right, although it isn't the only issue where the GOP is going to face a serious demographics problem moving forward. Not alienating young voters (i.e., probably needing to shift "social issues" from legislative solutions to "win hearts and minds" grassroots solutions) is arguably just as large of an issue, if not bigger.
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    Can anyone explain why dumping millions of voters from a demo going 70-30 against the GOP is going to help the GOP? Graham is a freaking idiot. Your 30% is always going to be less than their 70%, Lindsay, you halfwit, whether you add 10 voters, 10 million, or 100 million.

    Incidentally, GOP support amongst Hispanics was highest... under Reagan, before Amnesty '86, and has gone down steadily since. So cancel any delusions that amnesty will change that 70/30 number in GOP favor, not even by a percentage point. If anything, the 70 will go up, the 30 down.
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    It won't help them in the short term. But not doing it hurts them long term - the longer they oppose reform, the more time voting habits bake in for younger voters (not to mention baking in up and coming GOP pols). Hence, the the Sophie's choice. Most of the "GOP divided" stuff is hype, but this is a real divide in the party that's incredibly visible.
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    This is exactly right. A large majority of migrants that would be on a path to citizenship aren't likely to vote anyway. But some, such as "dreamers" that would earn their citizenship through military service or graduating college are as likely to be R voters as they are D voters.

    But this big things are perception and the next generation. There is a large number of Hispanic citizens with family and friends that are here illegally. The number of Hispanics is also growing. If the R's do nothing, the 70-30 split will grow larger, as will the number of voters represented. If the R's agree to pass reform and immigration becomes a much less hot button issue, the split will most likely shrink.
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    Great point, almost all of the legal voting Hispanics that I know are in favor of fencing off the southern border. I don't know how (or where they get those numbers from) but something's a miss. 70% seems way to high.

    This issue is not the main reason why they voted for Hussein, IMHO. There are other factors involved. I just hope the Pubs in congress figure that out before they sign our future sovereignty away with a misguided immigration bill that will only make matters worse for all Americans.
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    What's with everyone spelling border as "boarder?" This seems to happen frequently.
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    A serious conundrum, to be sure. Should the GOP act like democrats who have shown that lying to the voters, promising them things that they can not possibly deliver, in order to gain their votes is effective means to winning elections? Or should they maintain their moral standards, and just let the cards fall where they may?

    Personally, I favor the latter.
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    The left-wing media will only let the commies get away with bold-faced lies on the campaign trail, this has to be fixed when the next Pub POTUS gets the WH.
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    Good point, and likely the reason why the press' credibility has taken such a his as of late...


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    I think Lindsay Graham is a blithering idiot and passing this bill will kill the pub party
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    Yes, and maybe. Whether this bill does it or not I believe the latter has been coming for a while. It's well past time to close the book on the establishment GOP and replace it with fiscally conservative, socially moderate representation.
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    I don't care what is good for either party. What is good for the country? A bunch of illegals that will be sucking even harder on the govt teat?

    Why is it countries like Switzerland and New Zealand have such strict immigration laws? Because they realize that if they didn't, the parasites would devour their country and culture. Just like the US.
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    There is only one real question: Does the Republican Party want to be anything more than the permanent minority party, at least in DC politics? If yes then they have to out-stupid the Dems, which is a pretty TALL order. If they believe, as I do, that having standards of decency (mind you, not that the Pubs have it now) is essential for a free society then standing for something and being on the periphery is MUCH better. But they have to understand that their prestige and power will be pretty low for a LONG time. And they have to kick the Bible thumpers to the curb and get in touch with their inner Goldwater.

    But who said that freedom was easy?
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    Do countries like Switzerland and New Zealand have a demand for cheap labor similar to the United States? Canada does, and their policy is, in general, if a company can show a demand for labor that the current citizenry is not filling, then Visas for temporary guest workers can be granted. A little simplistic as explained, but that's the basics.

    The economic reality is if we deport all illegals and cut of the flow, we'd be in worse economic shape. Alabama basically did that with their draconian law, and it cost them up to $11 billion in lost jobs and tax receipts! And that doesn't take into effect inflation by having a similar demand on things that immigrants help produce like foodstuffs, that without the immigrants, we'd have significantly lower supply.

    There have always been Republican law makers who understood this economic reality. Mostly from border states like McCain (AZ) and Bush II (TX). More R's now see this economic reality which is why you don't see states attempting to pass draconian laws like Alabama or Georgia did. Problem is, there are still too many people, and a handful of politicians pandering to them, that don't understand the reality of the situation. And that is the best economic policy when it comes to immigrants is to keep them here and get money from them in the form of fines and Visas, while allowing them to continue to work. Hmmm, sound like the Gang of 8 solution?
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    You just don't get it. Why do you think there is a void of labor for low paying jobs? We don't need Mexicans, we need to quit setting our less motivated, less educated Americans up for life with free food, big screens, and housing.
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    Great plan. I'm sure our not all that generous welfare state is all that's all that's standing in the way of Americans performing backbreaking labor for little pay.
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    If the other option were starvation, I think you'd be surprised.
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    Yes, I would actually be surprised if starvation led people only to get very hard agricultural jobs that paid very little money.
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    Maybe if the jobs paid more, people would consider them over being life long parasites.

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