Lawmarkers to Probe People being Kicked Out Homes and Bussiness being shut down

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  1. ArtDeco

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    Our forefathers did not risk their lives because they felt we needed a food stamp program. They did fight for a welfare program. They did not die to feed the hungry. They did not demand a higher spending government.
    They did, however, express their desires to live a life free of government interference as expressed in all the Founding Documents.
    See how your last example differs greatly from the others?
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    So you think they risked their lives so we could have parks?
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    Empathy seems to not be your strong suit. Thanks for clearing that up.
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    It is indeed difficult to catch Obama. However, the OA has closed private hotels and the colonial farm in Va and put older people out of their home--all privately funded.
    these actions may put them out of business with a loss of jobs. Again easy.
  5. ArtDeco

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    I think they risked their lives so a 77 yr old would never have to worry about a tyrant throwing them off their private land.
    Google the Intolerable Acts, specifically the Quartering Act. Not exactly the same, but you'll understand how we feel about tyrannical edicts.
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    They aren't living on private land.
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    How about so children wouldn't go hungry? What do you believe they would think about that?
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    That's my understanding too or it wouldn't be an issue.
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    I'm empathetic to everybody that has lost important government services, not just those that are able to get attention in the media. That is why I would like the House to vote on the Senate CR, since it currently has enough votes to pass the House.

    And that way, we don't have to wait on the Washington Post to write a story deciding whose newspaper-selling story gets to open another government program today, while the department for tomorrow's story gets to stay closed another day.
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    So, according to Chomp we have a RIGHT to healthcare. And healthcare cannot be obtained unless one has physical access to the facility providing same. So if this road is closed because it is deemed as "non-essential" is not the Federal Government denying the RIGHT to healthcare of those who rely on this road? How can the Feds fall to such a level?

    I guess you are not able to detect sarcasm or irony. Government does indeed do many essential functions and plays an important role in the ability of this nation to function.

    But those essential functions are only those that benefit the totallity of the population and not individual citizens. Things like maintaining a national defense, providing safe and reliable access (public roads, public transportation, etc.), the protection of freedom and liberties from tyrants who want to use government power and might to dictate what you must buy in your individual life are areas where I agree a centralized government is vital.

    My comments here merely mock the depths you and others will go to defend the indefensible. Do you really want to pin your agrument on the fact all roads on an military base are important ergo the road to a golf course on said base is really more important than a highway through a national park/area used for things like transporting school children or providing access to a hospital? Do you really not see how utterly foolish your game of semantics actually is?

    A truly caring ruling party would do everything to MINIMIZE the inconvenience to the greatest number of people. You should just admit the Obama Administration is doing everything possible to MAXIMIZE the inconvenience to the greatest number of people possible. Then we can discuss the WHY they are taking this approach. (I have my ideas.)
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    That is the attempt to justify it.
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    Is the road currently unsafe and in need of some repair right now? If not it's exactly what it seems like heavy handed and stupid.
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    Tell me... Does all this spinning make you dizzy?
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    PETA will be happy...:grin:
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    I've never seen him say he regretted anything.
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    So who decides what bills are paid first? Seriously asking, not being snarky.

    Seems dumb, you get 250 Billion, pay the debt, SS, Military. Or have a tantrum and pay nothing? Please explain.
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    It's the same, and don't forget we were told there would be no cut back in care or "death panels".
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    Since they did not set up any specific provision in the Constitution one would argue they did not feel that it was the job of the Federal Gov to act one way or another.

    I'm not an expert on the personal beliefs of the founders but charity was a big part of how they felt social deficiencies should be dealt with.

    They certainly were against forcibly taking the property of and individual and handing it over at the whim of a capricious Federal Gov.
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    Basically you pay them as they come due. Each of the expenditures has the force of a law directing the Treasury to pay behind it, so basically no one decides who gets paid first and Treasury pays them as they come due.

    In normal operations, that doesn't really matter. When the Treasury runs out of borrowing authority? Without Congressional direction on priority of payments, or Congressional authorization to itself prioritize payments, Treasury is left in the position of having to violate a legal command to disburse money if they try to prioritize.

    If that's what we're looking at - violating a law to keep making payments - there are probably other laws to violate that make less of a mess. Violating the Federal Reserve Act by allowing the Fed to loan money directly to Treasury, screwing around with the debt ceiling accounting by exchanging all of the debt subject to ceiling held by other government agencies (mostly the Fed) for debt that isn't subject to the ceiling in order to clear space, or just blowing through the debt ceiling itself, are all potential solutions that also violate federal law, but do so in ways that are, to varying degrees, less likely to have economic effect.
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    What a convoluted system!

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