latest prezBOcare red herring

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  1. g8orbill
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    http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2013/12/04/new-obamacare-red-herring/

    from the article:

    FOX News analyst John Escherich dug deep into the Federal Register and government analysis about the law. Here’s what he says: “The Administration knew that the grandfather rules they were writing, in combination with the standard and anticipated practices of insurance companies, would lead to millions upon millions of plans being canceled. And this was almost certainly the intention of the Administration all along. The law doesn’t ‘work’ as it is intended to if millions of people are allowed to stay on grandfathered, non-ACA compliant insurance plans. The cancellations and changes to insurance plans were a natural and anticipated result of the ACA."

    To date there is no delay in the individual mandate tax. Yet there have been delays and/or cancellations for items like the following: the employer mandate; the cap on out of pocket expenses; half of the law’s deadlines; and income verification for tax credits.

    What’s been doled out: more than 1,470 waivers for favored groups like unions; the preservation of subsidies for members of Congress in the exchanges; personal health insurance help for members of Congress, and more.

    The irony is the law’s enactment was loaded with trade-offs just like the law itself is built on trade-offs, meaning, healthier people are paying more in their insurance policies to help cover the sick uninsured. Insurance is not as affordable now as the Affordable Care Act proponents will have you believe, as premiums, deductibles and co-payments are spiking higher across the country.
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    It is a massive power grab and income redistribution ploy. It has nothing to do with health.
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    You couldn't be anymore correct and the shame of it is they can't give a rats ass who gets hurt in the process.
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    It matters not to the top 1%. The bottom 20% will all get medicaid. The middle class and upper middle class get hosed with higher rates, higher deductables and fewer choices. The middle class and those on medicare are paying the tab for the new medicaid recipients, and subsidy crowd. And of course, 1500 groups get exempted.
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    Pubs will be eating such words when the final tallies come in.
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    I doubt it chompy
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    I can guarantee you that all of what I said is 100% true. There are 9 M less with insurance today than when Obama took office. Why? We all know why. Obamacare. Obama economy. Obama's lack of leadership.
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    Chompalot is living by that river in Egypt called denial.
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    First, I'd like to see a link proving your figures. Second, why is it the ACA's fault if people more people were dropping insurance in 2009, 10, 11 ...?

    I did find this:

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    River, can you not add and subtract. Add in the 5.6 M canceled so far to the 47.3 M in your figure. That = 52.9 M. Subtract from that # approximately 200 K who have signed up through exchanges so far. And that is being generous. 52.7 M - 43.4 M = 9.3 M less insured. Wait until the employer plans get their new pricing.
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    First of all, you're comparing it to 2007 while claiming it's when Obama took office. He took office in 2009, you should know that. Second, you give no source to your claim that 5.6 million policies were canceled.

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