Keystone Pipeline = only 50 permanent jobs

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    An increase in pressure is just that. If you want to know exactly how much, feel free to look it up yourself.

    This pipeline is using the same pipe as any other, but has a higher pressure and increased heat. It also pumps sand, which anybody who has been around equipment knows will sand blast anything it hits.

    Corrosion problems are bigger and it will in fact break more than regular pipelines due to thicker being harder to pump than thinner.

    Adding more pumps means more pumps will now break. I made a living fixing machinery, everything breaks at some point. When you add equipment, it only increases the things that break.

    For some, oil trumps food, drinking water, land rights, and their kids health, for the profits of an industry. Can't even get things done in a correct manor to limit the risk, as oil is your god.
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    Exactly, while highly automated there are still a lot of support personnel to maintain and oversee operations. You may be surprised with the number of workers needed to keep the automatic machine running.

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    Glad you proved you lack of knowledge with regards to this topic. That is why I asked what I did. I am very familiar with pipelines and the products that are transmitted through these pipelines.

    What is the correct manor?

    Do you have electric service in you house? Do you drive a car? Do you purchase food from a store?

    If you do you use product that came through a pipeline or was made using product that came from a pipeline.

    You want to vilify the oil industry, yet can't and wouldn't live without the products and the convenience they provide you. Get off your high horse or start riding your wooden bike to work!
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    Yea... Just try and pass that one off on the residents of St. Croix USVI, and the FORMER Hovensa employees...
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    decimated that island. soon to be sold and become a oil storage depot. great 10k foot runway and cheap property available from the port authority there. good friend is on the board and he told me if I can bring viable business to airport that lease terms would be very good. google EDC company for details on great tax incentives and no repatriation taxes. pm me if you have any ideas
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    Exactly. Look at the oil train in eastern Canada that incinerated a small town. Pipelines are the safest AND most cost-effective way to transport liquids, as long as you don't put BP in charge of it.
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    I guess if you were president back in the early 1970's the Alaskan pipe line wouold of never been built. That pipe line is 800 miles long and it crosses over ice, frozen tundra, and mountain ranges. The logisitics of building that pipeline made the the builiding and operations of that pipeline and impossiblity. Yet it was built and for the most part it has been a big success with over 16 barrels of oil transported through it.

    Now fast forward forty years. The new pipeline will be almost three times as long. However the logistics are childs play whe compared to the Alaskan pipeline. There are no moutain ranges to cross, tempertures for the most part are paradise like compared to Alaska, and the workforce and supplies are right on the route of the pipe line.

    Also, the technolgy developed in the past forty years will be used in the construction and the operations of the Keystone Pipeline. Thus it should be more effecient and safer than the Alsaskan pipeline.

    RPM you have let your passion for solar and wind power blindside you on this thread.
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    I was "based" in St. Croix for a very long time. I left only a month or two before they announced that they would be closing the refinery. That was THE only employer keeping that rock alive. Now that its gone, I can only imagine what a s--t hole it is today.

    Not even much tourism, run off by the crime (even before Hovensa closed down).
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    Only in Obozo's world would he come up with 50 jobs. There are estimates that it will creat 42,000 jobs overall from start to finish. CLUELESS. Maybe he's referring to the "shovel ready" jobs......oh wait.
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    not really. The rum rebate help keeps them alive, especially since Diageo relocated the Captain Morgan distillery to St. Croix to go with the Cruzan Rum distillery.

    Were you flying a Hurricane hunter or flying for Allen Stanford?

    A client/friend owns 2500 acres on the north shore west of Carambola hotel and from top of Mt Eagle down and into the valley east of zCarambola golf club.

    St Croix has some great restaurants and diving. Cruise ships have returned. Crime isn't that bad for the caribbean. Much better than jamaica, DR, Aruba, mexico,bahamas etc once you leave resort grounds. I wouldn't feel safe driving my family around Costa Rica or even Panama but I have no issues with the USVI.
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    I did not know that. Good thing too. That Cruzan Rum was Gawd-awful stuff...

    Neither... Jeffrey Prosser...

    I was a member at Carambola. Great course.

    In three years, I couldn't find one single decent restaurant. The diving would likely be good, except the Cruzans were mostly afraid of the water... Really... Not a lot of charter boats available on the entire island.

    The cruise ships let off in one of the worst sections of the island, Frederiksted, which is pretty bad as the entire island is a 'pretty bad section.'

    That place was like being in prison. St. Thomas wasn't a whole lot better. St. John is beautiful.
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    wow, what a different viewpoint from my experience.

    did Prosser owe you money too. What a couple of scam artists, Prosser and Stanford.

    I dove with several different dive operators there and always had good service. Did shore dives at Cane Bay. The north wall is a great dive and the pier at night was always full of life.

    loved the Irish lobster at Duggans and most everything else on the menu too. Always had good food at Tutte Bene's, loved Savant, and had good food at Kendrick's too. You didn't like any of those?

    client also owns 50% of Carambola golf course. Rees Jones toured it and agreed to update his Dad's work and do another 18 in the adjacent valley at a discounted rate. He really did not want his brother RTJ Jr to get to revise Dad's work. Members offered to give client full ownership of course (and the related maintenance costs) if he would give them lifetime memberships and be exempt from cash calls when the budget fell short.

    fyi, Foxwoods is in final stages of permitting 600 acres on the south shore. If/when they build, they were discussing private flights to shuttle their guests direct from NY/NJ airport.
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    The lobster was, in my opinion, not all that good at Duggan's (Reef ?) and, as with TuTu Bene's, WAY over priced. There was an Italian place along the north shore, to the east of Christianstead... Something with "Pelican" in the name... That was not bad.

    Granted. I never spent much time on the western part of the island.

    I like the hamburgers at Plesant's downtown Christianstead too.

    Prosser doesn't owe me money; in fact, he treated me very well during my time with him. I hated my time on "The Rock". I counted the days till I could get the hell away.
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    BTW... That Foxwoods location. I know exactly where that is, and you're right... It should make an excellent site for a resort, but bringing plane loads of New Yorkers to the island? Yea... That's ALL they need...
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    So let me get this straight, the Libs are bitching because it will only created 50 jobs. They don't care if it's part of the equation of energy independence. They are also bitching that it is construction jobs, which are temp, and our wonderful president has created how many permanent jobs? Last I looked, most of the jobs this administration has created are temp jobs. Lib hypocrisy at it's best.
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    well we planned on bringing in planes of hot young russian women to work at our resort and even have housing planned for them so we are going to do our part to help the demographics if/when they decide to write the check.

    If you ever took the tantan tour down to the baths you visited our property. Did you live in Shoys??? We enjoy visiting the Buc when I took family down

    NYers meet cruzans, not a good combo. anxiety/demanding meets mellow/chill...

    Butler Bay is 66 acres jsut north of Foxwoods site and would make a nice all inclusive resort spot. good price for the land too.

    Did you know about the internet hub on the south shore? 2nd most unused bandwidth of any location in the western hemisphere in that innocuous little bunker. want to monkey up the western hemisphere, blow up that bunker and the web would slow to a crawl.

    EDC taax benefits? Reduce US income taxes to 10%, no repatriation fees.
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    That is some beautiful property there on the south shores, and the Internet thing must be new; when Prosser owned the telecom on the islands, US dial-up was faster than Innovative. I used to drive by that property on the way to the Divi "Resort" and "Casino." I did like to take people out to Point Udall and watch for whales.

    I lived in the hotels. I have stayed in each one at least once. Didn't care much for the Buc. I mostly stayed in the Tamarind Reef, and hung out at The Deep End. The Golden Rail was always good for breakfast.

    And Cheesburger in American Paradise? Ugh. Don't get me started....

    Lots of American ex-pats there. All I could figure was that they came there from the NE states because they could buy their cigarettes tax-free. They were all blow-boaters, and as everyone knows, blow-boaters can't swim.

    No.. I don't miss that place one bit, and don't plan to ever go back.... Unless you follow through with that plan to fly in Russian women. If that happens, you can call on me to fly the airplane! For free!
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    net hub has been there for decades but they just recently installed a switch to be able to access it. Prosser was too cheap/selfish to pay up to build the switch needed to tap in. Entire island is now getting wired with fiber. Meant west end, not south. North of Fredereksted between the foxwoods piece and hams bluff. Ever stay at Carambola hotel?
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    I did. It became a Marriott Resort for a while. Didn't stay there too often because of their then lack of cell phone coverage. I am a lifetime Platinum Marriott Rewards member.

    I was thinking of the land just to the east of the airport along the road to the Divi. I always liked that area and thought it would make a nice place for a resort. I did dive the reef just off the beach there. It was nice, but most of the reefs along the south side were either dead or dying. Not sure if that was a byproduct of the refinery or the years of hostile weather.

    What has always amazed me about St. Croix is the change in landscape from one end of the island to the other. Starting out in lush rain forests and mountains in the west, and ending up in arid, desert like conditions reminiscent of the US Southwest to the east...

    In 45 minutes time, you can go from the amazon rain forest to the high plains of the US Southwest.... Truly amazing, to me anyway.
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    What a shame...did not know Hess had closed it. My wife and I went to St Croix on our honeymoon 35 years ago and had a wonderful time. I remember a terrific Italian restaurant called "Franks".

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