Kent Taylor and Ian Silberman

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    It's a shame that UF won't allow its coaches the flexibility that most other schools have in this regard.
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    I dont think UGA can either and USCe is on probabtion so they cant. The SEC west teams however are allowed to do whatever it takes
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    In support of what you stated, here's what I posted in recruiting a couple of weeks ago. This is from 247sports.com & shows the four year total concluding with the current class. This four year period coincides with Machen's public stance on recruits, which he may not have enforced in years prior to that statement.
    Team Total Five Star Four Star Three Star Avg Player (Rank) Points (Rank)
    Arkansas 122 0 18 75 83.2 (15) 212.3 (11)
    Tennessee 108 0 37 67 87.3 (7) 243.3 (6)
    Alabama 103 15 56 30 92.2 (1) 307 (1)
    South Carolina 102 1 23 68 86.3 (10) 226.8 (10)
    Kentucky 100 0 12 78 84.3 (14) 195.8 (13)
    Auburn 97 4 39 43 88.1 (5) 257.8 (5)
    Georgia 97 7 43 44 90.2 (3) 268.5 (2)
    Ole Miss 96 5 19 67 86.7 (9) 229.4 (9)
    Mississippi State 94 1 16 70 85 (11) 204.5 (12)
    LSU 92 3 52 32 89.8 (4) 260.3 (4)
    Texas A&M 92 5 38 41 88 (6) 242.3 (7)
    Vanderbilt 90 0 9 72 84.4 (13) 188.7 (14)
    Florida 87 8 42 35 90.4 (2) 268.4 (3)
    Missouri 80 1 8 67 84.6 (12) 186.2 (15)
    Average 97 3.6 29.4 56.4 87.2 235.1
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    I'm not aware of any stated policy of having no greater than 85 on NSD. But the practices that historically have allowed schools to get around that limit (i.e. grayshirting, yanking scholarships, and abusive use of "medical exemptions") aren't followed by UF (and UGa and Vandy) AFAIK. I assume we do use "back-counting" which is another way of avoiding the limits but isn't as "morally reprehensible" (Machen's letter) as the others.

    I think it's a disgrace that SEC schools like Tennessee (which currently has 33 commitments for 2014) not only flout the rules but are trying to find loopholes that will let them sign even more (http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-...ssues-statement-about-over-signing-loopholes/) while other schools that compete with them don't do those kinds of things (UF, UGa, and Vandy). I like our position from a moral standpoint but it certainly seems to put us at a competitive disadvantage compared to most other SEC schools.

    I'm not an expert on this stuff, if I've misstated anything anyone feel free to correct.
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    I'm quite certain Muschamp has already brought in someone that he thought would be a success twice and we know how that ended up. If not for Foley providing him a "come to Jesus moment" on how to run an offense then we would see a third and it may well still happen. You never answered my question on how many wins would qualify for "getting it fixed". You serve yourself better by not attempting humor in your responses, your not very good at it.
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    You know Foley had a come to Jesus moment with Will? lol Lets be honest you dont.

    I never said it was broken in the first place. I dont make the decision on hiring or firing so how would I know the answer to that question? I am not Foley is that hard to understand?
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    I do believe he had a "come to Jesus" meeting with him. It would make no sense on Foley's part to accept continued utter failure without attempting to fix it and follow that up with Muschamp having a revelation that we need to open up the offense against his often professed philosophy then putting two and two together is not that difficult. Your right you said "get it done" so how many wins will it take for you to consider it done? No worries, you needn't worry about being mistaken for Foley.
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    Should our angst be alleviated by the fact that most of the transfers(recruited by someone) were told they wouldn't be playing?
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    How about Foley just believes in Muschamp? Foley is certainly not a football coach, If he didnt believe in him he would just fire him. No need for a "come to Jesus moment" moment when the guy is no longer on the staff. You dont actually believe Foley is going to be in Muschamp's office telling him what plays to run. According to Dooley we were going to run a lot more spread concepts this year until Driskel had health problems

    I dont have a number I want to see how the season plays out next year. Even if I did have a number it wouldn't matter since I am not the decision maker. I think we have the talent to win every game next year. I think anything less than 10 wins season is a huge failure even if we score 50 points a game. Others would love scoring 50- 60 points a game with 9 wins
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    IF there was not a meeting in a Fortune 500 company that was teetering wouldn't that be cause for serious scrutiny of EVERYBODY at the top by the shareholders? Remember that "Fans" is derived from "FANaticS" and we isually don't have an inordinate amount of respect for people "Blindly loyal" to an entity, idea or individual.
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    Learned from his mentor.
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    Not sure what you do for a living or if you know how business works but I am certain Foley would not stick his neck out for Muschamp without insisting on changes and the offense would be foremost among them. I think you are one of those that would believe 8-4 is getting it done and if so which four losses are acceptable to you?
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    I figured the rest would go, but was a little disappointed about Silberman and Taylor, but with Sharpe's commitment today we have 5 OL in the 2014 class.
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    If they win 8 next year there will be a parade through The Canyons of Heroes. The ticker tape would be hard to calculate.
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    You have no clue what Foley did or did not do. You are wrong for thinking that especially since I never said that. It doesnt work that way with me. There is more to an assessment of a coach then wins and loses. If it was just wins and loses he would have been fired this year. I also dont care about scoring 50 points a game.
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    Bad hire for OC or HC?
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    If they dont win next year it would be both
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    I see ADs as business managers, people managers, results managers. You have to believe Foley has sat with Muschamp to try and see if he knows what went wrong and how he plans to fix it. At times it looked like Muschamp had reached his limit. A good boss had to pick up on that. If they have not had deep or significant discussions I would be shocked.

    You could be right, he might just believe in Muschamp and realize he's a couple years away from being a great HC... I hope so. But I've also wondered if we just don't want to buy Muschamp out and transition at this point. Maybe it's just that simple?
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    He might believe he is a great HC now. If he thought he was terrible he would have fired him

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