John Boehner's Shutdown

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    It is absolutely true. If you have evidence it isn't, post it, otherwise you're blowing smoke. I've already established hard evidence for those who have respect for facts as opposed to the propaganda you seem to favor.

    To repeat, the CR - the passing of which is what the current stalemate is about (with me so far? this isn't hard) - which the senate has already passed and which Obama has pledged to sign takes as it's total a number which Boehner requested and said he could pass in the House. It is not Reid or the president's number (still with me?) which was significantly higher, nor is it even the sequester number which was about $80 billion more (got that? tell me when you have a question, OK). That is known as a compromise which was the result of a negotiation. Boehner doesn't deny this. Why do you?

    OK, surely you can understand that, but if you need help, let me know.
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    The Democrats have been holding the economy hostage for 5 years. Now the Repubs want Obama to take some responsibility and make some decisions and as usual he is painting himself as the victim.I think it is quite entertaining seeing him, the Dems, and liberal media whine like children. He has the power to stop this suffering but he chooses not to negotiate. He has become that child which runs off with his toys.
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    Gatorman

    Voted for Reagan three times in total. Three times for McCain, so despite your
    opinion of my age, my votes have been sage.

    Not a fan of Boner and those blinded by party to the point
    they cant see he is in it for himself not our Citrus industry.

    I see you didnt see the damage I described but only what I call the jerk

    Maybe you were too old to vote for Reagan...
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    The evidence I presented above clearly demonstrates that the only ones victimizing Boehner are the Tea Party. I know it is necessary for Republicans to try and sell themselves as being victimized by the President and TH righties have taken up the meme, what with all the nonsense about the bad things happening because Obama won't "negotiate", but he already did and has gotten nothing for it except more threats. He'll have to throw Boehner a bone at some point so the speaker can cave and still save face and I suggest naming a boat ramp in some national forest somewhere after Reagan. Any other suggestions?
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    Gasp! The NYT is blaming Republicans for the ills of this land!! How completely shocking.

    What has this world come to?! I mean, this unprecedented change in their editorial pov has me wondering what's next? Fox News being critical of the President?!

    Putting all the blame on one party in this ridiculously childish affair only exposes one's bias. Anyone who's truly objective can easily identify leadership failures from BOTH parties on multiple levels. It's as much Obama's fault as it is House Republicans.
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    Row that was nothing more than some liberals opinion
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    Come back when you have some facts. You've got nothing so far.
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    They're facts bill. Let me know if you need help understanding them though I'm sure you can handle it. You went to UF.
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    You've got nothing either, you're just to blinded by partisanship to see it.

    We seriously could go point for point all evening if you wanted to (and you probably would)--and all would be true. Neither party has exhibited good stewardship, good leadership, or good judgment. Only the most blinded and biased would say otherwise.

    But continue on with your cheerleading. Fashion tip: if you want to really show your fanboy credentials, wear glitter!!
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    PS Here's a clue for you: The links are to news articles (one NYT's the other WaPo), not opinion pieces and I'm sure if you read them you will recognize that they don't blame Boehner for anything. That just happens to be the clear implication of the presented facts. If you want to offer some counter interpretation of those facts, have at it. I'm all ears. Here they are:

    1 The solution to the shutdown is the passing of a CR.
    2 The CR passed by the Senate and which Obama pledged to sign if the House passes it - which by the way the votes exist to do just that if Boehner will let it get to the floor - has a total figure which is $80 billion less than the sequester amount.
    3 Boehner acknowledges that as Reid alleges that he asked for that number during the summer.
    4 Clearly Reid and Obama would not come up with that number on their own as it is significantly lower than what they wanted. The clear implication of this evidence for those who somehow doubt the accounting of the principals is that this was an amount negotiated with Boehner.
    5 1-4 above are clear and unassailable proof that Obama and Reid have already compromised with Boehner, but he couldn't deliver on his promise.
    6 As per Boehner's admission and a long article in the NYT's on Sunday, the Tea Party had a long standing plan to shut down the government and weren't going to be turned around by a deal which was already a compromise. They would only settle for a dismantling of Obamacare.
    7 That aint happening. Get real.
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    The fact is row if you are a lib and drink the prezBO koolade then you agree with re pieces

    Those of us who are conservative think they are typical liberal bullchit

    Nothing you say will change that anymore than what we will say will change what you believe

    And there in lies the rub and as ling as we have this socialist ........ In the wh we are going to hammer him
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    Absolutely, let's do it. It won't take long, I assure you. I have confidence in the facts which I presented above for you again and which you now want to run away from. Disprove them or admit you can't. As noted and substantiated in a long NYT's article, this shutdown was happening no matter what Obama did short of dismantling Obamacare and that is not happening. If you can suggest something else he could have done short of a similar surrender, what it is it?
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    What part is BS bill? This isn't a matter of opinion but facts. Please, be specific.
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    This thing is like Viet Nam for the Republicans. They can't win and they have no exit strategy.
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    Their strategy for getting out of this is to play the victim as if this was forced on them. Nothing could be further from the truth and the failure of any righties here to challenge the evidence for that is telling. They have to dismiss obvious and clear facts as somehow subjective opinion.
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    I figured. See, that's where we're different: when I see a bunch of adults acting like a bunch of spoiled toddlers, I'm not in any particular rush to join them. You, I can see, have no such inhibitions.

    I blame BOTH sides for creating this situation--and I say that as a pretty noted conservative. You can feel free to post stuff from the NYT, the Huffington Post, Mother Jones, CNN, etc. I'm sure the super-conservatives on here can post right back with the WSJ, Breitbart, Fox News, etc.

    Ultimately, a leader who's a representative for others finds a way to rise above the rancor and try and find common ground. NEITHER party has done that. Both sides are out there saying "we won't negotiate." That's a failure on Boehner, Obama, Reid, Cruz, and anyone else you want to name. Again, I don't expect you to acknowledge that. You've got blue glitter in your eye from all the cheerleading for your team. Cheerlead on, friend!
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    You just keep saying the same crap and ignoring the evidence. It's there and you can't dispute it. Anytime you want to discuss it, you let me know. In the meantime you're being governed by slogans, not reality.
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    Interesting. Boehner takes a page from Hairy Reed's play book (I.e., don't bring a bill to the floor that has been passed by the other house). Seems like that's okay when Hairy does it, but not okay when Boehner does it.
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    No, I'm choosing not to engage a poster that doesn't possess the ability to break away from partisan talking points and think objectively or rationally. If you want to cheerlead the senseless and stupid actions of our political leaders from both parties, it only goes to show the blinkered "reality" you live in. Clearly, you're getting blinded by your own blue glitter. It happens.
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