John Boehner's Shutdown

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  1. fastsix

    fastsix Well-Known Member

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    How about a link to the actual CBS poll, without the hotair?

    Poll: Americans not happy about shutdown; more blame GOP

    And here's the actual question you're referring to.


    Most Americans want compromise. Majorities think the President and the Democrats in Congress and the Republicans in Congress should compromise in order to come to an agreement on the budget.

    Budget Negotiations: Compromise or Stick to Positions

    Pres. Obama & Dems should
    Compromise: 76%
    Stick to Positions: 21%

    Cong. Reps should
    Compromise: 78%
    Stick to positions: 18%
  2. oragator1

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    I wasn't the one who originally posted it - I just googled it to find a link because I was curious as well.
    It's a valid number, but if you read the entire poll set it is about the only one the republicans can take any solace in .
  3. gatordowneast

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    This is only an issue inside the beltway. Nobody outside of DC other than partisan hacks that are political junkies, blame Boehner anymore than they blame anyone else. And when this ends, it will all be forgotten. But you know what won't be?

    Doofuscare
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    six it is prezBO and the dems who refuse to even talk about a compromise
  5. gatornana

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    This is one time where there is no reason to talk about a compromise when one party(GOP) decided to put Obamacare on the chopping block as leverage to pass a budget.

    You can thank Ted Cruz and other Rs for this.
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    Budget!!! What's a budget???
  7. BigCroc

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    If the AHCA is in fact a terrible solution to the medical care and medical cost issues we have in this country it can certainly be amended, improved or repealed by a majority of our elected representatives.

    To have a minority hold the entire government hostage to prevail on an issue they lost in a fair vote is antithetical to democratic governance.
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  8. Minister_of_Information

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    The republicans are not the minority in the House, and they have the power of the purse.
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    Correct, and they are exercising their Constitutional prerogative.

    obsama and the dims WILL be forced to give way on this. Whatever it takes. I say shut it down as long as it takes for obsama to be beaten.
  10. Minister_of_Information

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    Since everyone already hates the republicans, at least according to the democratic party and news media (presumably there is a distinction), what do they have to lose?
  11. malligator

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    Fair vote? Not so much.
  12. fastsix

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    So you believe this to be a good strategy going forward? Either side should be able to hold the country hostage to get their way on a single issue?
  13. Minister_of_Information

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    I think the Constitution should function as intended. And I do not believe that any Congress is beholden to the laws or appropriations of past Congresses.
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    And how do you feel the vote was unfair? Did the AHCA supporters stuff the ballot box in the House and Senate when it was passed by both chambers?
  15. GatorBen

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    This is where the argument gets a bit dicey. Clearly the House, as a collective body, bears the constitutional responsibility of originating spending bills. On the other hand, the House, as a collective body, clearly has the votes to discharge that constitutional duty and pass a clean CR this instant if one was brought to the floor.

    The House's procedural rules are not constitutionally enshrined. Clearly the constitutional drafters couldn't have foreseen and intended to offer explicit protection to an unwritten caucus floor rule that originated in the 1990s and is adhered to by only one party.

    Are the floor rules unconstitutional? No, that's not my argument.

    But I'm also not sure we're really in the clear to pretend that the Republican Conference is engaged in some grand exercise of their constitutional role, when the argument could just as easily be turned around to say that the Hastert Rule is preventing the House from fulfilling its constitutional charge. Because at the end of the day, "the House" as a whole isn't holding up a spending bill. In fact the spending bill at issue unquestionably does have the votes to pass the House today.

    Just my thoughts. :shrug:
  16. Minister_of_Information

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    The House is given the power to create its own rules and organization under the Constitution. Those rules don't become illegitimate just because you don't like the outcome.
  17. malligator

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    Well, they don't call it the "nuclear option" because it's fair.
  18. nlsfive

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    OK so by 2016 if the democrats control the house and the republicans control the senate and presidency you would be OK with the democrats demanding that we increase taxes on the rich and double the minimum wage in exchange for voting to increase the debt limit?
  19. Minister_of_Information

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    I don't object to the exercise of Constitutional powers. And if the democratic party feels like coming out of the closet in a major way, perhaps that would be a good thing.
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    What do you think the republicans would do if the democrats made such demands?

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