Jihadists Execute Sisters and Mother for Dancing...

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    true separation of church and state, with laws that supersede any religious beliefs, is what separates the West (who at one point were burning "witches" and such), and the Middle East, who still allows their ancient holy book to rule them

    i think its hypocritical for Christians to point the finger given their holy book and history
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    Wrong.

    The ones who misused our holy book in the past were the hypocrites, not those of us who follow it in its totality. Jesus was a completely peaceful figure who never as much as raised a hand at those who ultimately killed Him.

    The Old Testament historical data that the Scriptures articulate is washed away by the "law" breaking peace-maker that was Jesus. True Christians follow his lead. The hypocrites are those that ignore his calls for peace, while still living under the Old Testaments violent ways.
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    Moral equivalency here is asinine. Y'know what the most cartoonishly repressive version of a Christian anti-dancing story is? "Footloose". In the fundamentalist Muslim version, Elisabeth Shue would probably be stoned to death. The phrase "at one point" is thrown is as though it has little relevance, which makes the whole post all the more silly.
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    @108, By the way, do the sins of Christianity in the past somehow make the present ones of Islam OK?

    I doubt that's your intended point, but it sure comes across that way.
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    Sharia Law will be the law of the land as our PC rules will allow this to happen.
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    Absolutely disgusting...savages...
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    Abject rubbish...
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    I think the point 108 is making is that it is the people, not the religion per se. We have a poster here saying the removing the religion will remove the barbarity. Obviously, there are many people who practice Islam who also think stoning people to death is abhorent and barbaric. Probably the vast majority of them too. And obviously there will be people that do terrible things for any ideology or religion, like Anders Brevik, who killed 80 people because he was a whacked-out Islamophobic Christian.

    My main question is, what is the point or intent of these threads?
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    Were the women dancing like "Elaine" in Seinfeld? If so, I have to admit to mixed feelings.
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    This sort of treatment of women and children in the Mideast has been happening forever......it's nothing new. When cheap oil was flowing for the region and dictators under our control, no one spoke up about this, no one cared. As anti-Muslim feelings in the U.S. have grown, the plight of women in the Mideast is solely being used to fuel more anger and fear.
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    This the same Jesus that said "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows." Luke 12:47
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    bottom line---atrocities like that are committed by Muslims, Jews, Christians, in the past and present...

    seems OP and some others are trying to differentiate between Christians and Muslims with the following argument--

    They(OP and some others) --
    -claim that Islam is inherently evil because of such practices being legitimized via scripture of Islam and interpretation of scripture etc by Muslims. And that it is aggravated by some countries of Middle East in which scripture of Islam is basis for the laws of those countries.
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    -claim that Christianity is inherently 'good' because of the scripture being about love, etc and peace.

    My opinion on this matter is that regardless of scripture promoting or forbidding such atrocities---there are sick people in every religion(as well as non religions) who will manipulate scripture to justify atrocities..Or even ignore their religion totally in their lust for committing atrocities.

    There are some 'Christians' in America who continue to practice the adage of 'spare the rod and spoil the child' to such extremes that they kill their children via all the trauma they administer in their beatings of their child(just check with emergency room personnel if you doubt this).

    There also occur frequent enough incidents involving minor denominations or sects resulting in such groups as the bRanch Davidians, Jonestown,etc that helps prove my point that bad things happen even in 'good ' religions. That the problem isn't the religions. The problem is what people do in the name of their religions....actions based not on religion but their own human vices. And human vices exist in all people be they of 'good' religions, bad religions, or no religion at all.

    Fot all Muslims ascribe to the practices described in the OP.

    Just as there are some Christians who do not do the 'good' stuff taught in Christianity...and do bad things in the name of Christianity. There are some Muslims who do not kill their wives or children for dancing.

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    Finally, I've seen first hand the horror described in the OP, here in America, in Fla. A nurse I know who is Muslim by birth and upbringing in the Middle East, Came to Aemrica to work as a nurse. Here in America she would drink socially(never to the point of DUi, arrest, etc). Just a well behaved social drinker. Her parents and siblings moved to America and gained citizenship. A year or two later they found out that she drinks alcohol. The family had a meeting at which it was decided the oldest son would execute the daughter who drinks at the next family get together. She had her neck slit at her house by her brother while the rest of the family looked on. After her throat was slit they left. She managed to call 9/11 and somehow managed to live. She did not file charges against her family. For years after that she was a non-daughter to the family and there was basically zero communication between them. Over time and the family living in America they softened in how devote/strict they were in Islam, and gradually over time the family started meeting her . In public places at first. The family ios back together. The parents and siblings are still Muslims practicing Islam but not strict/extremist Islam. And the daughter is now a deist(believes in god without religion--though she frequents Christian houses of worship).

    As the twig is bent, so grows the tree
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    Where is the hypocripisy?
    When was the last witch trial held in the USA or western Europe?
    Do we persecute the children for the sins of their fathers and the fathers of those fathers?
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    The heart of Islam teaches people to kill the Infidels and slay them where you can find them. And it teaches men to treat women like women are their ground. Essentially whatever they can do to the ground they can do that to their wives.

    It is mind boggling that it becomes an issue of PC to condemn such savagery. If a Christian was doing this I'd condemn it too.
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    Islam is much like Christianity was several centuries ago during the "Dark Ages." Fortunately, Christianity and Christians survived and the religion became much more about love thy neighbor, and the west flourished. The question with Muslims is, will they ever undergo enlightenment?

    There are plenty of Muslims today who are peaceful, tolerant, and enlightened. Problem is, the religion as a whole is not, and in today's world where the majority is tolerant, Islam's atrocities stand our like a huge sore thumb. And with the world shrinking and information moving faster on a daily basis, we hear even more horror stories.

    Islam is at a crossroads today, and sooner rather than later, Muslim leaders will have to choose between joining the rest of the modern world in the 21st Century and beyond, or be at war with those of us in the 21st Century. One can argue, the war has already begun, and they would have a strong argument to make.
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    In the name of Christ and for His sake, are you saying ? I would like to see some of that.

    If you mean someone may have claimed to have been a Christian, and who at some time committed a murder, well, OK.

    Big difference in Mooslim Jihadist activity, and that, IMO.
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    The liberal mind amazes me. When Muslims kill other people for dancing in the rain, then what is the reaction? "Oh, it happens all the time and all religions do this. Nothing to see here. Move along."

    When a Hispanic man kills a black man in what could be self-defense what is the reaction? "Oh, RACISM!!!!! The only people who ever do this are WHITE people!!! GRRR!!!"
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    Will there ever come a time when it's OK for Christians to comment on atrocities committed in the name of Allah? Or will events that occurred centuries ago keep this hypocrisy rule in effect for all eternity?
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    That's it in a nutshell. Well put.

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