It's Time: FSU to the SEC

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  1. 92gator
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    Whoa there...haven't you been arguing for the past several days of the significance of injuries and the like, on a team? Do you think FSU stays as healthy against SEC schedule, as they were able to, against ACC schedule during those years?

    I seem to remember having serious injury issues going into the FSU game, and not nearly as much in terms of injuries, from their perspective.

    Anecdotal I suppose, but seems like that has always been an issue, playing in the SEC. Not so much, in the ACC.
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    Sure! There has been no evidence to support the assertion that playing that "grueling SEC gauntlet" is tougher on players than playing any other schedule. I did the research on it, and it doesn't hold up.

    FSU had their injuries every bit as much as we did. What they also had, however, was superior depth and a balanced offensive attack, whereas ours was heavily pass-centric. If FSU couldn't stop our run game, Florida usualy won. When they could, Florida became one-dimensional and lost.

    It is another of the great SEC myths. Not every SEC team is physically tough, and not every ACC team is a cupcake.
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    I know all about their Grant of Rights TV deal, but I still think if the SEC invited them, FSU would find a way to make it happen.
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    I think you would have to have FSU in the SEC East, with UF. Make that game a division game, just like Alabama-Auburn. It would be pretty exciting to play them at the end of the season with a division title and trip to Atlanta on the line. Not quite as exciting if the teams were in opposite divisions and could just be rematching one week later in Atlanta.
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    A few eggs left to lay against who?

    Syracuse?
    Wake?
    Idaho?
    A .500 Florida team?
    ACC Title Game vs Miami or VaTech?
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    That 'myth' helped me through a lot of heartache.

    Forgive me if I cling on to the vestiges of ignorance--and I'll thank you advance for not posting the empirical evidence your research yielded. ;)
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    Good analysis, thanks. However we know that they play 2-3 tough games every year whether it be Florida, Miami, VaTech, Clemson, etc. And you only included the top three opponents. Can we see this extended? The difference IMO would be in the next tier, say their 4th-8th toughest games. The SEC just has more programs capable of competing at a high level and knocking a contender off in any given week. Next year our toughest conference games on paper:

    1) @ Bama
    2) LSU
    3) Georgia (Jax)
    4) South Carolina
    5) Mizzou
    6) @ Tennessee

    FSU has Clemson, Miami, and who?

    Also consider the possible opponent in an SEC Title Game compared to an ACC Title Game.

    Just not the same road...
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    Hey, as John Lennon said, whatever gets you through the night...:grin:
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    Um, let's see........No.
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    Lol I'm still waiting for him or one of the other supporters to respond to my post.
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    Worm, for the 90's comparisons, don't forget that the ACC did not have a championship game. That still counts (regular season or not) as an obstacle towards running the table.

    In 1992, swap MSU (7-5) for Alabama (13-0)
    In 1993, swap Kentucky (6-6) for Alabama (10-3)
    In 1994, swap South Carolina (7-5) for Alabama (12-1)
    In 1996, swap Auburn (8-4) for Alabama (10-3)
    In 1999, swap Georgia (8-4) for Alabama (10-3)

    That said, we had our chance in 1993 in the SWAMP and we had our chance in 1999 in the SWAMP. That's good enough for me to give them their due for having had the better team and worthy of competing for a national championship. And technically they were 7-5-1 against the best team in the SEC during that stretch (swap UF '98 for UT '98).

    I think the argument, though, in terms of having a grind, would be in comparing the next 3 teams how much of a burden those teams were to overcome.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
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    Some years, florida's depth is greater. Other years, FSU's is greater. It basically evens out. I used the top three to emphasize qualification for the Final four playoff format.

    They certainly have had more teams rise to the top, that is unquestioned. However, they don't USUALLY rise to the top at the same time. It is wild in the SEC:

    Since 2000, Top and bottom years for SEC teams (not yet counting Texas A&M and Mizzou):

    School-------Top Three--------------Total--------Bottom Three--------Total

    Alabama............14-0, 13-1, 13-1.........40-2............3-8, 4-9, 6-7..............13-24
    Auburn..............14-0, 13-0, 11-2.........38-2............3-9, 5-7, 7-5..............15-21
    Florida..............13-1, 13-1, 13-1..........39-3............7-6, 7-5, 8-5..............22-16
    Georgia.............13-1, 12-2, 11-2..........36-5............6-7, 8-5, 8-4..............22-16
    LSU..................13-1, 13-1, 12-2..........38-4............8-5, 8-5, 8-4..............24-14

    Tennessee.........11-2, 10-3, 10-3..........31-8............5-7, 5-7, 5-7..............15-21
    USCe.................11-2, 11-2, 9-3..........31-7............5-7, 5-7, 6-6..............16-20
    Arkansas............11-2, 10-3, 10-4..........30-9............4-8, 4-7, 5-7..............13-22

    Ole Miss.............10-3, 9-4, 9-4.............28-11...........2-10, 3-9, 3-8.............8-27
    Miss State...........9-4, 8-4, 8-5.............25-13...........2-10, 3-9, 3-9..............8-28
    Kentucky.............8-5, 8-5, 7-5.............23-15...........2-10, 2-9, 2-9..............6-28
    Vandy.................9-4, 7-6, 6-7.............22-17...........2-10, 2-10, 2-10...........6-30

    As you can see, the Auburn/Alabama thing is due largely to sanctions and their screwy internal politics. You can, however determine the great programs from the rocky ones (with Saban, Bama is obviously returned to great program status). The WORST seasons for the great programs still result, for the most part, with a winning record. Compare to the ACC (not counting Pitt and Syracuse for now):


    Virginia Tech......11-3, 11-3, 11-3..........33-9.............7-6, 8-5, 8-4.............23-15
    Florida State......12-2, 11-2, 10-3..........33-7.............7-6, 7-6, 7-6.............21-18
    Miami................12-0, 12-1, 11-2..........35-3.............5-7, 6-6, 7-6.............18-19
    Clemson............11-2, 10-4, 9-3..........30-9.............6-7, 7-6, 7-6.............20-19
    Georgia Tech......11-3, 9-3, 9-5.........29-11...........6-7, 7-7, 7-6.............20-20

    Maryland...........11-3, 10-2, 10-3..........31-8.............2-10, 2-10, 4-8............8-28
    Boston College....11-3, 10-3, 9-3.........30-9.............2-10, 4-8, 7-6............13-24

    NC State............11-3, 9-4, 8-4.........28-11...........3-9, 5-7, 5-7.............13-23
    Wake Forest.......11-3, 9-4, 8-5.........28-12...........2-9, 3-9, 4-7...............9-25
    Virginia................9-4, 9-5, 8-4.........26-13...........3-9, 4-8, 5-7.............12-24
    North Carolina.......8-5, 8-5, 8-4.........24-14...........2-10, 3-9, 3-9.............8-28
    Duke...................6-7, 5-7, 4-8.........15-22...........0-12, 0-11, 0-11..........0-34

    In the ACC, Maryland and Boston college had the widest disparencies between their best and worst seasons.


    You have to remember that Florida's schedule is NOT typical of an SEC schedule. We have the toughest schedules IN THE SEC virtually every year, because we have to play LSU and FSU every year.

    Also, you have Tennessee on there, and FSU has a half dozen programs on their schedule that is as good as the Vols are right now.

    I dunno. An 11-win Miami or Virginia Tech would be more than a handful for us - and for the Noles.
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    I didn;t use it because I was working under the assumption of how FSU would have done had they played our regular season schedule. Had they burned through it as we had (which I believe they would have done), they would then have to play the SEC West champ as well. I think they would have done at least as well as we did.

    Sure. They still have a winning record, however, so they are certainly worthy.

    As I said above, they pretty much evened out. Besides, for a team like the 1990s Gators and Noles, a 4-loss team or worse shouldn't have been much of an obstacle.
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    There is said to be a gentlemen's agreement among Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina if it ever came to a vote to let any of the three in-state schools (fsu, georgia tech, and clemson) that each would vote NO! florida, georgia, and S. carolina have nothing to gain, and everything to lose be lettin any of these three schools in.
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    You're going to have to do better than that. Georgia even at full strength had no defense and Clemson only beat them by 3, and seriously, you think beating us is a good win for miami?
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    For Georgia, having no defense is not Clemson's problem. Georgia could beat USCe, but maybe that wasn't a big deal either this year.

    As for Florida, well, I was thinking about adding the line you added, but I wanted to be kind...:grin:
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    There ya go
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    So apparently, you do think beating us is a good win for miami. I'm going to leave it at that because I seriously doubt there would be many at this point that would agree with you.
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    No, I didn't say that. I was just trying to be kind to our reptilian brethren here...
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    Well played, worm.

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