Is This The Death Of Labor Unions?

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  1. fredsanford
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    Facts, reality and figures disagree with you.

    But you just keep blowing that "hero CEO" trumpet while they move jobs to India and hand out food stamp apps to Walmart employees.
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    Why would CEO's intentionally "under compensate" workers causing higher turnover, replacement and training costs?

    Fred, work is outsourced to lower labor cost markets when it makes financial sense to do so and are brought back to US when it makes financial sense to do so (shipping costs for example). It will always be that way. It is cyclical. High tech manufacturing in certain industries is moving back to US. Foreign auto manufacturers have been setting up factories here (in right to work states) for 30 years. Apparel, textiles, plastics/moulding, low cost furniture will likely stay in other countries.
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    The most prudent thing for an employer to do is compensate their workers. Turnover is expensive and it is better for the company to give raises, reward employees than see them hop to another job for $1,000 a year.
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    You don't seem to have any facts or figures these days. Are you sure that you're on speaking terms with "reality"?

    I never said that American CEO's were heroes. They're doing a job, just like everyone else. Their job is to make sure the company makes money and doesn't go under.

    Walmart jobs are just not very technical, and do not require a lot of skill. If you want to be paid more than minimum wage, you might want to apply for jobs with more skills required. If you take a job where no skill is required, conversely, you should expect less pay. Walmart doesn't owe anyone a "living wage", whatever that means at any given time.

    As far as jobs moving offshore, the things to blame there are things like government over-regulation, high medical costs, and high costs of litigation and/or insurance against lawsuits. These are things that are above and beyond the cost of paying a salary. Other countries do not have problems with excessive regulation, extreme medical costs, and litigation / expensive insurance. The U.S. does have these problems.
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    Well said... I agree.
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    Private workers should have every right to organize---it benefits them and doesnt hurt the common good. Government workers should NEVER be allowed to organize---because it HURTS the common good.

    Its really that simple.
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    Government employees shouldn't have unions because they already have all the necessary bargaining power they need with their employer, aka representative government. Think your department is running badly or mistreating you, go throw the person who appointed the head of the department and the members of the legislative oversight committee out of office and replace them with someone who sees it your way.
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    There is one complication, in our current semi-socialist society. If a company (like GM) becomes too big too fail, then they are automatically insured by the U.S. government against failure through bailouts. Is that company still a private company anymore? Is there any incentive for workers to limit their greed for concern that the company might go under and they'll lose their jobs?

    If there were no such thing as "too big to fail", then the risk of failure of the company would have to be considered in any negotiation.

    And while I agree that workers in private enterprise have a "right to organize", it may not make sense in the long run. It may not benefit them as much as they think (they lose a lot of money during a strike, and it can take years of work, even at the higher salary they may negotiate, to make up that loss). It does benefit their union bosses, of course. The best negotiation tool is transferable job skills and a good list of contacts in similar industries.
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    If your gonna go Union route...well then ya gotta follow the rules!

    A dedicated Teamsters union official was attending a convention in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels. When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, "Is this a union house?"

    "No," she replied, "I'm sorry it isn't."

    "Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?"

    "The house gets $80 and the girls get $20," she answered.

    Offended by such unfairness, the union man stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully unionized shop.

    His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, "Why yes, sir, this is a union house. We observe all union rules."

    The man then asked, "And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?"

    "The girls get $80 and the house gets $20."

    "That's more like it!" the union man said.

    He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunning blonde.

    "I'd like her," he said.

    "I'm sure you would, sir," said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, "but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next."
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