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Is Sully's job in jeopardy already?

Discussion in 'Around the Horn - Baseball & Men's Gator Sports!' started by GreenandScaly, Mar 1, 2014.

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    UF is rebuilding after a great three year run and with a bunch of young talent on the roster, will be very good again soon. And to suggest Sully's job is in jeopardy is ridiculous- six straight regionals and three CWS appearances makes him the most successful coach in Gator Baseball history.
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    Still amazing UF has never won a national championship in 100 years of baseball. Truly amazing.
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    It took, what, 90 years in football?

    Go GATORS!
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    We are slow starters
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    Wes, guess you are right but just astonishing when you consider all of the talent in Florida over the last decades. I mean arguably, Florida has put more guys in the major leagues then any state perhaps outside of California and Texas. And baseball has been a much stronger sport in Florida over the years. Football has only been significant in Florida really since the late eighties picking up most of its momentum in the 90's.
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    His plan may be to pray Bader sparks things up.

    Ass bad as the run production has been, the pitching is starting to look very good. Lots of arms and good ERA
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    Sign of the times. If there is any blip on the radar screen for any UF coach, too many fan's solution is to fire them. Its gone way past ridiculous.
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    People forget the STUDENT ATHLETES the coaches are dealing with are 17-22 year olds! They are not pros. The coaches job is to develop them. It does not happen overnight!!!
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    Huh? UF finished in the Top 6 in football from '83-'85. By the late 80s, we were back in the doldrums. UF football was a sine curve for 25 years until Spurrier became coach. Up, then down, then up, then down, mostly in 3-5 year spurts. UF became significant in the early-to-mid 1960s, beating Bear Bryant in Tuscaloosa, going to two major bowls (much bigger deal then than now) and winning a Heisman Trophy between '63 and '66, then a couple of blah years, then the Super Sophs only lost one game in '69. Then Dickey tore the place down and starting rebuilding, and the '74 and '75 teams were excellent. Then down again until we hit rock bottom in '79, By 1982, we were significant again, beating USCw and scUM and going bowling for the third straight year. '83-'85, we were as good as anyone, then the NCAA sanctions knocked us down for five years, and then Spurrier came in 1990 and we've been relevant ever since. Yes, we are relevant now in football.

    Perhaps UF baseball is in a similar sine curve in baseball. We've been at least pretty good most of the time for a long time. I was surprised to find out how we stand in total baseball wins in the SEC. We've been pretty good for several decades. But we never made Omaha until Joe Arnold took us in 1988. He took us again in 1991, then we slipped some and Andy Lopez came in and took us to great heights. If it had not been for LSU, we would have had the best program in the country in the mid-to-late '90s.....Number 1 overall seed, National Player of the Year, etc. Then, we slipped some and Pat came in and built us up to where we were in the National Championship Series, then we slipped all the way to a losing season and the Sully came in and brought us to the same heights that Lopez did - combined with the best of McMahon....No. 1 overall seed, National Player of the Year, and topped off with a berth in the championship series, now, we've slipped some.

    So, now what do we do? Its been over 25 years on the sine curve now for baseball. Those other three coaches had things working against them that Sully does not have. Arnold had a drinking problem (thank God, I hear that he beat that), Lopez tended to ignore Florida talent and recruited the west, thus ticking off a lot of people. Pat had the reputation of a lazy recruiter. Sully has none of these things working against him, and none other that I really know of. I figure its time to get off this sine curve and let Sully build the consistency that we've never had, to go along with the excellence that we have achieved.
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    And this right here answers the question...

    You either have to be a great coach & developer of talent that doesn't let poor recruiting bring the program down...or you're a great recruiter of talent which helps hide poor coaching & development. O'Sullivan has proven that he is good enough of a coach to take the program all the way to the Championship Series, and with the incoming class he's proving that he can still bring in the elite talent needed to field great teams. Unless he's screwing co-eds, then why would anything here be an issue? It's a reload/rebuild phase right now: if the talent level falls off, or the team is full of great talent but under-performs, then you can re-visit the question...
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    Of course the perfect scenario is to have both great coaching/development and great recruiting. This staff has proven the ability to recruit, and IMO they have proven the ability to develop pitching. Hitting development and "in-game" coaching are the biggest questions....but the overall success of the staff is hard to argue.
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    Is Amanda Butler still coaching?....no way the coach for baseball in trouble...:rolleyes:
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