Is Muschamp a stat padder?

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    I don't think he does but then again I see what you are trying to say and it does make some sense.
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    I don't think they did it to get alumni support. I think they were both very competitive, and realized that Vegas gives an unvarnished view of who should win the game and by how much, and they want to prove they can do better than that. Spurrier was extremely competitive about final scores if he thought it meant something. When someone told him that no one had ever scored 50 on UGa between the hedges, he was determined to do it and he did do it. For both of them also, it was part of their belief in that they needed to set high expectations for the team's performance. With Zook, the team often played up or down to the level of competition; on one occasion, winning three times in a row against top-12 teams, and in other cases, losing (almost) 3 straight bowl games or 3 straight games against teams from Mississippi.
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    Not really.

    Vegas wants the line where they can get equal action on both sides of the line, guaranteeing a profit and eliminating a potential loss.

    That number is about the betting publics perception of the outcome, not what their "experts" project as the outcome.

    The two numbers may be the same, but often they are not.
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    Winning is all he is focused on. Look at how we sit on the ball on offense for time of possession in order to keep our defense and their offense off the field. If padding stats was what he was after that strategy wouldn't work.
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    I think Muschamp and his staff probably have a lot of deep, dark, resentful inside jokes about padding stats.

    But Muschamp makes it clear that he doesn't care what anybody on this board thinks about his style. He's going to win his way. On his terms. And if you don't like it, don't watch the games.
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    You forgot Alachua County.
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    I also noticed, and was amused by, the first drive time out thing too. I don't think I've noticed him do that before, except in obvious situations. Would be interesting to see if it becomes a common thing.
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    Judging from the empty seats in the Swamp, folks aren't.
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    What? I don't think I follow. Keeping one's own D off the field by dominating time of possession would be a good way to lead to good defensive stats. In other words, if the other team's O does not have the ball, how can they score or gain yards, i.e. amass stats?
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    What about defense taking the ball away numbers-turnovers? What about the number of tackles made. So I gather you just selected the stats that support your theory!
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    I don't think it has anything to do with "stats." I think it has to do with winning. The less your defense is on the field the better your chances of winning.
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    Right you are hd80dun !
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    Hahaha! What? First of all, this is kind of a tongue in cheek thread. I feel like you're getting a bit worked up over nothing.

    Second, the defensive stats that matter most are ones like total defense and scoring defense. That's the ones people are talking about when they say a team has the top defense statistically in the country.
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    I'm glad it was in jest, but turnovers decide a whole lot of games like the 5 we gave up against Miami. But I'm glad that you believe they aren't important. What planet is it you're from again? Missed tackles many times lead to big plays. Whoops I guess I'm getting worked up again. I'm sorry I mean I sure you are right and no one ever concerns themselves with them.
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    Good night savage.
    Go Gators my friend. Go Gators
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    LoL!
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    There was this girl who was a padder I knew back in the 5th grade. What a disappointment that was!
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    The only stat that Spurrier padded at Florida was the notion that his offense had a 50/50 run pass ratio.


    Typically it was 2 to 1 pass in the first half, where he tried to stretch and tire the defense, while the second half (unless he was way behind, which wasn't often), would be totally in reverse, particularly when he had Ericct Rhett to carry the rock.
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    And it worked! Most Gator fans think SOS had a balanced offense at Florida...
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    There was nothing in the 5th grade like a girl who had stats!

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