Is MAD Enough?

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  1. gatorchamps0607
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    I keep seeing a lot of articles talking about nuclear war and I've been thinking. Do you guys think MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) is enough to stop a nuclear war between US/Russia?
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    Should've added a survey to the thread.

    Yes, it's enough, imo.
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    No, Putin and Obama planned this whole scheme.
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    Yes, but I think computers & game theory (i.e. being able to game out & anticipate people's responses and predict consequences) are underrated reasons too.
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    unless the dumb chit draws another line in the sand and the big red bully has to cross it
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    No. MAD works when both sides know the other will pull the trigger.

    In this case, I don't think either side has the balls to launch a nuke, so we are stuck fighting politically at the moment. If it escalates to land, sea, air war, Russia loses big time and it won't be close. They don't want that embarrassment and our president has no political capital to make it happen, so we are back to school yard jockeying.

    Advantage Russia.
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    It's obviously been enough for the last 50 years--but that's only because we haven't had anyone crazy enough to pull the trigger, at the top on either side.

    I used to fear Russia putting some nut job in control, and thought our system was pretty solid in avoiding such.

    That was before Barry. We not only elected an immature clown with zero respect for the rule of law, the Constitution, differing opinions, individual freedom, and other similar fundamental values--and with ZERO experience in any executive capacity--we did it twice. In a row.

    If Putin pressed Barry's buttons in the wrong way, on an issue he actually cared about--e.g.--if Putin made fun of Obamacare--we'd probably already have seen mushroom clouds galore.

    ...but the Russians know this. Fortunately.

    Apparently it's the Russians' restraint, that keeps MAD applicable.

    JMHO.

    (...and only partially TIC).
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    Wow, so its the Russians' level-headedness that's keeping us from destruction. Good to know.
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    I happen to think prezBHO lacks the balls to push the button

    and in this case that might not be a bad thing
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    Yes, MAD is enough in the context of rational nation-states. Russia, for all their unpredictability, is a rational nation-state.
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    Is there such a thing as an "irrational" nation-state? To be a nation-state involves a certain logic of permanance (beyond a single human life span) to even exist. Seeking self-destruction would be an inherent contradiction to the very idea of a nation-state.
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    Will this be your final putdown of the president? You've bitched and moaned about him everyday for the last however long it's been. Now he doesn't have the balls to start a nuclear war? That is F'n hilarious.
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    You seem surprised.

    They've had the capability of destroying the world for almost 40 years.

    We're still here.
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    MAD works when you know that pulling the trigger means not only will you eventually eradicate your enemy, but your own country as well. Either country would "pull the trigger" if bombed first.
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    As have we. I'm not sure I understand this point.
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    First, I don't think Russia has designs on being THE power in the world, unlike the Soviet Union's ideals that anything that isn't a part of a collective is akin to a foreign body and needs to be eradicated. So the fear that Russia will march wherever the h__l it wants is pretty hollow. MAD, IMO, was about the politicians trying to keep some ambitious Army generals on both sides from getting "ideas."

    Now to modern life. I think that, just like what 9/11 showed us, the old concept of two warring states is probably obsolete. The new threat, and I said that after the fall of the Soviet Union, was the disillusionment of former Soviet nuclear scientists/engineers who now have the knowledge but not the prestige. The world is a more level playing field with some small fish that can attract some of those disillusioned types.

    Or to use art as the model, it is the Death Star designed to fight a big adversary but is vulnerable to the small renegade fighters.
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    nah I promised you libs back in 2008 I would be just as fair to prezBHO as y'all were to W- and I have kept that promise-the sum..... cannot be gone soon enough for me
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    Yes...there are plenty of historical examples when a nation-state starts a conflict it has no hope or potential of winning--but does so anyway and continues to fight on long past the time when defeat is inevitable.
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    It was a reply to a post, not a stand alone point. Read the post it was in reply to, then you should get the point.

    Sure we have too. And the Russians. Independent of one another, even if due to each other.
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    With Russia, yes. With Iran and the other terrorist nations, no way.

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