Iran has 18,000 uranium centrifuges, says outgoing nuclear chief

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    the syrian and egyptian issues are diversions that allow Iran to continue unabated to a nuclear weapon
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    Doubtful. Not in the headlines not equal to not paying attention to what's going on there. We have some pretty crushing sanctions in place and no doubt that if it actually came down to where there was a real threat, Israel would just bomb them pull us right into fighting.

    I think more prudent and level heads are trying to avoid us getting into yet another military excursion in the ME.
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    I agree, that it's continuing, but Obama wasn't going to do a damn thing about Iran - even if they were front page news.
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    We have been "negotiating" and putting sanctions on Iran for how many YEARS now? I think it's safe to assume that it's NOT WORKING, yet all we hear out of politicians mouths are "Iran will not have nukes".....really? I have ocean front property in Arizona I will sell ya too.
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    If they have that many, then something tells me the sanctions aren't actually working.
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    Didn't Obama draw another line in the sand....somewhere?
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    I wonder if it's a red line, rainbow maybe?
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    STOP making sense...
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    I still don't understand how we're in a position to tell other sovereign nations what they can or cannot develop.
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    It's a self-appointed post. We think we are not only the world's policeman but believe we should pay to be in that position. The cop on the street has enough sense to let others pay him for his work.
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    Well there is this little agreement they signed and are violating. Who should enforce these treaties? The UN?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons

    Iran

    Main articles: Iran and weapons of mass destruction and Nuclear program of Iran

    Iran is a party to the NPT but was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and the status of its nuclear program remains in dispute. In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program.[21] After about two years of EU3-led diplomatic efforts and Iran temporarily suspending its enrichment program,[67] the IAEA Board of Governors, acting under Article XII.C of the IAEA Statute, found in a rare non-consensus decision with 12 abstentions that these failures constituted non-compliance with the IAEA safeguards agreement.[22] This was reported to the UN Security Council in 2006,[68] after which the Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Iran suspend its enrichment.[69] Instead, Iran resumed its enrichment program.[70]

    The IAEA has been able to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, and is continuing its work on verifying the absence of undeclared activities.[71] In February 2008, the IAEA also reported that it was working to address "alleged studies" of weaponization, based on documents provided by certain Member States, which those states claimed originated from Iran. Iran rejected the allegations as "baseless" and the documents as "fabrications."[72] In June 2009, the IAEA reported that Iran had not “cooperated with the Agency in connection with the remaining issues ... which need to be clarified to exclude the possibility of military dimensions to Iran's nuclear program.”[73]

    The United States concluded that Iran violated its Article III NPT safeguards obligations, and further argued based on circumstantial evidence that Iran's enrichment program was for weapons purposes and therefore violated Iran's Article II nonproliferation obligations.[74] The November 2007 US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) later concluded that Iran had halted an active nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003 and that it had remained halted as of mid-2007. The NIE's "Key Judgments," however, also made clear that what Iran had actually stopped in 2003 was only "nuclear weapon design and weaponization work and covert uranium conversion-related and uranium enrichment-related work"-namely, those aspects of Iran's nuclear weapons effort that had not by that point already been leaked to the press and become the subject of IAEA investigations.[75]

    Since Iran's uranium enrichment program at Natanz—and its continuing work on a heavy water reactor at Arak that would be ideal for plutonium production—began secretly years before in conjunction with the very weaponization work the NIE discussed and for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons, many observers find Iran's continued development of fissile material production capabilities distinctly worrying. Particularly because fissile material availability has long been understood to be the principal obstacle to nuclear weapons development and the primary "pacing element" for a weapons program, the fact that Iran has reportedly suspended weaponization work may not mean very much.[76] As U.S. Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has put it, the aspects of its work that Iran allegedly suspended were thus "probably the least significant part of the program."[77]

    Iran states it has a legal right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes under the NPT, and further says that it "has constantly complied with its obligations under the NPT and the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency".[78] Iran also states that its enrichment program is part of its civilian nuclear energy program, which is allowed under Article IV of the NPT. The Non-Aligned Movement has welcomed the continuing cooperation of Iran with the IAEA and reaffirmed Iran's right to the peaceful uses of nuclear technology.[79] UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has welcomed the continued dialogue between Iran and the IAEA, and has called for a peaceful resolution to the issue.[80]

    In April 2010, during the signing of the U.S.-Russia New START Treaty, President Obama said that the United States, Russia, and other nations are demanding that Iran face consequences for failing to fulfill their obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and that "we will not tolerate actions that flout the NPT, risk an arms race in a vital region, and threaten the credibility of the international community and our collective security."[81]
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    Repped.
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    This post is too logical for most on the Left to understand. :grin:
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    It would also occur to me that the odds that this is just a matter of principle are pretty slim.

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