Independence Day Lyrics to Note

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    In recognition of Independence Day:

    Last Words of Star Spangled Banner-

    O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved home and the war's desolation.
    Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "In God is Our Trust."
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    Words from America the Beautiful-

    O beautiful for pilgrim feet
    Whose stern impassioned stress
    A thoroughfare of freedom beat
    Across the wilderness!
    America! America!
    God mend thine every flaw,
    Confirm thy soul in self-control,
    Thy liberty in law!

    O beautiful for heroes proved
    In liberating strife.
    Who more than self their country loved
    And mercy more than life!
    America! America!
    May God thy gold refine
    Till all success be nobleness
    And every gain divine!
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    I'm afraid the authors wouldn't even recognize the country we've become.
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    so what do you think would throw them off

    women not considered property
    women can vote
    interracial marriage
    integration of schools
    civil rights act


    google?:grin:
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    I imagine a black President would be pretty hard for them to accept.
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    The near-impossibility of finding anyone who believes anything is seriously wrong.
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    just imagine the anti American revolution that would erupt if a gay, female , American Indian woman, who is follower of American Indian religion, and a combat veteran who served in U.S. military---- were to become president

    I would assert that the bashers of Obama would try to claim that an American citizen who is American Indian is not American enough for them.

    remember the scurrilous attacks by GOP on Duckworth and Clelland and Sen Inouye(the only person to ever serve in U.S. congress who was recipient of the Medal of Honor).
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    Try referencing your remarks to the words Shelby actually posted, instead of the superficial attempts to deflect.
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    nice that Shelby posted the last part which many are unaware of. sadly, though, Shelby neglected to post the whole of what is written. Some of which is certainly pertinent to the first stanza Shelby quoted in the OP. I've highlighted the portion Shelby in red and the rest of the Star Spangled banner in blue. Which might be fitting as GOP tends to focus on the last half and Dems focus on the first half. When what we should all be mindful of is the song in its entirety.

    entire Star Spangled Banner

    Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
    Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country should leave us no more!
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


    Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
    Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"

    That the stanza Shelby first quoted was in direct connection to the slaves described in the previous stanza.


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    what is also telling is that the OP deliberately left out the opening stanza and the final stanza. the two stanzas that repeated the concept of brotherhood from sea to shining sea. Brotherhood in that context meaning people working together even though of differing locations(both geographically but likely differing in other ways as well--religions, race, politics, etc)

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    ironic that the OP left out stanzas two two songs....and that the stanzas left out address brotherhood and freedom for all.


    hmmmm


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    you can tell a lot about a poster from how the poster utilizes quotes
    ----what the poster quoted
    ----what the poster did not quote from the same source(s)
    ----or even in the case of posters in other threads---whether the quote was accurate(in other words whether the poster altered the words of the quote to change the meaning).
    ----or even claim something that is a quote of others was not from who the poster claimed it was from. But that the fabricated a non truth(in whole or in part)

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    Kind of hard to change the wording of either of the songs the OP posted stanzas to. But it is telling in what stanzas the OP posted and which stanzas were not included in the OP.

    I believe that both songs should each be taken as a whole and not be edited to try to create something that differs from the total meaning of each song.
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    Oldgator- duh. You dont get it or you choose not to?

    I posted them because we dont hear or see them often. Just a reminder. Not a Rep vs Dem debate.
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    "Comfortably Numb" should be our new anthem. America's motto: What's my cut?
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    I think I still like this country a lot more than a lot of you guys apparently do
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    "I posted them because we dont hear or see them often. Just a reminder. Not a Rep vs Dem debate."

    Might I suggest that next year you post the entire song and discuss the meaning of each stanza. Would help avoid misunderstandings.

    To tear apart a song, or anything that a person writes to highlight one thing is to disregard the rest. And to take away what the writer intended

    That said, wouldn't it be a far better discussion to discuss the songs in their entirety
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    I'm not sure how Shelby only posting part of the song takes away from his intent which to me is reminder of our great country & its foundation & its source.
    Although I've sung the Banner many times it always affirming to actually see the words & let them penetrate.
    He gave no commentary because none was needed. Thanks for posting!

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