Inappropriate screening was broader and lasted longer according to IRS

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    Lookls like the agency has found that's its targeting of conservative groups lasted longer than originally believed and was even "broader" in scope, according to Danny Werfel.

    So much for the investigation going nowhere. This thing will get uglier a lot sooner than it gets better. Of course they found no evidence of intentional wrongdoing.. of course, they didn't.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/new-irs-chief-inappropriate-screening-was-broader
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    Like I've said. Corzine did it year ago in Jersey, so this is absolutely no surprise to the relatively few who live in the real world.
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    Um, did you get past the first paragraph of the story? Because if you did, you'd read this:

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    I would like to see the ratio of the conservative versus liberal screenings and the depth of the screenings. Too much to ask from the government and media I'm sure.
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    Fire all of them, without pensions, for gross dereliction of duty to perform a simple job. Has one person lost their job?
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    If they were targeting terms like "Progressive" and "Occupy," it certainly makes it a different story than we were first told.
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    I hope the investigation is conducted in more detail than this vague article linked by the OP. No details whatsoever. The devil is in the details.
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    The targeting of groups has been almost all in fact, it appears only to conservative groups, and the additional delays and scrutiny was only found so far to be in conservative groups, yet with no real explanation given.

    Issa said the review "fails to meaningfully answer the largest outstanding questions about inappropriate inquiries and indefensible delays. As investigations by Congress and the Justice Department are still ongoing, Mr. Werfel's assertion that he has found no evidence that anyone at IRS intentionally did anything wrong can only be called premature."

    House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., whose panel is also investigating the agency, said the IRS "still needs to provide clear answers to the most significant questions — who started this practice, why was it allowed to continue for so long, and how widespread was it? This culture of political discrimination and intimidation goes far beyond basic management failure and personnel changes alone won't fix a broken IRS."
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    This what the linked article actually said:

    This actually seems to refute the right-wing scenario that the targeting was a vendetta against conservative groups hatched in the Obama White House.
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    Let's not forget that 501(c)(4) organizations are prohibited from engaging in political activity. Rather than some type of improper targeting this could very well be a case of the agency actually doing what is supposed to do i.e. ensuring the organizations applying for 501(c)(4) status are actually eligible for said status.
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    You just don't like the details given, but no worries. Just join Cummings in asking Issa to release all interview transcripts. No doubt he's sitting on them because he doesn't want to embarrass the president.
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    better not let Row know about this......


    he is convinced nothing happened.....even though THE FREAKING PRESIDENT HAS ADMITTED AS MUCH
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    What details are given? Laughable. This is what happens when people live off of sound bytes. They know longer realize was an in-depth story looks like.
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    How did you come to that conclusion?

    Does the article go on to say why those conservative groups (who we now know WERE targeted, contrary to your initial claim) waited years, without so much as a response from the IRS, and still received no certification, while others waited just a few days to receive theirs, some even received back-dated approvals?

    Please... This means nothing. It still does not explain why conservative groups were blocked from receiving their tax-exempt status.
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    haha, conservatives no longer can act like victims here and they are predictably throwing a rant

    it may or may not be good practice to take shortcuts when screening using political names, but nothing so far has been shown that there was any political misconduct
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    The writer of this article can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. If nothing was done wrong, than why have people like LOIS LERNER lost their jobs or been put on leave?

    They shouldn't even have lists to begin with since this doesn't equate with random sampling in auditing done by a computer. As a former auditor, I was once accused of tainting a sample to achieve a desired result. To CMA, I could have made a list of transactions with a sprinkling of such from every department in a company, but with a focus on a certain department to nail someone I didn't trust or like. All this article tells me is that auditors could have (especially given the age of IRS computers in certain cases) selected groups from both sides of the aisle but with a focus on the ones they want to nail. It's the oldest trick in the book in auditing, even though the IRS wasn't truly audited given their involvement in the audit. Still waiting for a REAL audit or investigation.
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    well maybe some evidence will be shown to back up the conspiracy against conservatives that you believe

    we are simply talking about tax-exempt status here, hardly worthy of the description of "nailing" the enemy you're conjuring
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    Yes, it might end up being both sides. The article doesn't go into depth like I said.

    I used to work for a pro-life organization for which the auditing rules were specifically changed by the Corzine (who should be jail for other things) administration in NJ for political purposes. The ground level auditor who we saw for each of several years before the change even admitted to it off the record. They changed the interpretation of a certain rule just for us, much to the embarrassment of this auditor.

    What's surprising to me is that this hasn't been caught earlier since my story happened almost ten years ago. In an age where the media keeps recycling stories for political purposes, it's quite humorous but not surprising that the media hasn't found this one until now.

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