If they re-did Mount Rushmore today...

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    What's the "socialist platform?"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1912

    For historical reference, lets look at the 1912 election:

    Wilson - Democratic Party
    Taft -Republican Party
    Roosevelt - Progressive Party
    Debs - Socialist Party

    Quite distinct "platforms" there.
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    I'd say calling liberals socialists is every bit as accurate as calling conservatives racists.
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    The idea of "progress" is rooted in the advance of liberty, reason and enlightenment principles. But you already knew that.
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    FDR may have done okay wrt WW 2 but he is one of the worst presidents this country has ever seen...

    His redistributing programs started the deterioration of the family unit. We now have an ever growing amount of people becoming dependent on government vs their own family. He laid the grou dork with the help of Wilson giving him the ability to really damage this country.
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    It is necessary to toss barbs because hooked on phonics is not working for you. Perhaps if you go back and read the thread it would sink in. I even spelled it out for you two or three posts back. There haven't been any true libertarians, obviously, as President. Again. Duh. The thread is "IF THEY RE_DID Mount Rushmore". Someone mentioned Reagan. Again, I piled on, saying he would be much better than Roosevelt. You turn that into your antagonistic crap that you always do....saying, well, how can you be a libertarian if you are a Reagan lover. It is what you do.
    I have run down my views on every issue time and again on this board....Want to ask me where I stand on any issue? Guarantee 19 or 20 out of 20 would put me in the Constitutional Libertarian category. But, then, why would I do that on a thread about re-doing Mount Rushmore?
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    Wow.
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    Oh snap, a hooked on phonics reference!
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    Neis, you're a bit confused here. I'm simply stating that on "constitutional libertarian" grounds, the policies and record of Reagan are largely antithetical to the platform.

    In other words, from that Libertarian viewpoint: Reagan is Bush is Clinton is Bush is Obama.

    The Libertarian Mt. Rushmore wouldn't have *any* presidents on it. :)
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    FDR is in the top 3 worst Presidents of all time.

    He can thank Carter and Obama for not being lower on the list.
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    What about Coolidge, who, in the midst of the Great Depression promised federal funds to construct Mt. Rushmore?
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    By seeking ever to withdraw from all three. Fascinating. 20th century progressivism and its Rasputin-worthy persistence is antithetical to the Enlightenment, is promoted by emotionalism over reason, and destructive of liberty in almost every way.
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    Based on LewRockwell.com, the president most hated by Libertarians seems to be Lincoln.
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    Understandably, given the response to secession and the writ of habeas corpus.
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    This is only because you have antedeluvian notions rooted in the pre-industrial world. "Progress" stoped for you in about 1820, and its been a march downhill ever since. :grin:
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    Constant and gratuitous change isn't the same thing as progress, is more the point. Marx nor his intellectual progeny haven't once done anything to make the world better for its application.
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    Im not confused about anything. I just said there haven't been in libertarians(or even close) that have been President. Therefore, yes, it would be a faceless mountain.

    But, that isn't where this thread started or was going. A fact that I know you are well aware of. Roosevelt on that mountain is a gigantic joke. Someone mentioned Reagan. Just because Im a libertarian and neither one of them was, doesn't mean that one wasn't a much better leader/Prez than the other.
    My libertarian rushmore:
    John Tyler
    Zachary Taylor
    Grover Cleveland
    Van Buren
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    Then again, we libertarians are big on that freedom thing(ending slavery)...
    Add Lincoln up, Id put him middle of the pack, maybe slightly below average..
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    Not really, Marx and his "progeny" have done great things as far as the study of various social sciences, history, etc that have nothing to do with communism. Even from a capitalist POV, Marx necessitated a robust, intellectual defense of capitalism from economists and thinkers that didnt exist prior. No Marx, no Keynes, Hayek, von Mises, Friedman, etc.
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    I never claimed that you said there was a Libertarian president, so I'm not sure why you keep saying this.

    Right, which is why I was confused as to why you brought up Libertarianism, is all. If it's just a general "I like this guy" sort of thing, sure.

    On strict Libertarian grounds there isn't much difference between, say, Carter and Reagan. Indeed, Reagan expanded the size, scope and cost of the federal government 27% more than did Carter. Both had large-scale, overarching, un-Constitutional international pet projects. Funding the mujahideen, selling arms to other countries to start coups ... these are all antithetical to Libertarian views.
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    Bears mentioning - though I'm sure you know this - Lincoln did not free the slaves.

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