If Tebow was given.....

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    That "elite" defense was ranked 24th in the league during the 2011 regular season. That elite defense was 5-16 for 2010/2011 before Tebow stepped in.

    It is a team sport and everyone must contribute for the team to be a consistent winner. I think as the defense came to see what Tebow was made of, they played harder for longer than they did for Orton.
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    So basically, Tebow gets credit for the defense playing harder too? LOL
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    Nobody said they were among the league leaders but they did drop a lot of passes.
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    I know right?
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    Ummm, yes.

    I think Denver's defense is playing harder for Manning, too. Not hard to believe at all.

    D likes to see a leader on offense who's going to give it all on the field. They will rise up for that. Hard to rise up for a QB who goes 3 and out and mopes on the sideline.

    I recall a few times Tebow running to the D and yelling with them, encouraging them, promising he'll get it done if they do.
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    College performance actually matters a lot.

    Virtually every single NFL player was a good college player, so clearly it matters.

    The issue is why do some good college players not make it in the NFL? Well first there are simply more good college players than job opportunities in the NFL, so some have to not make it.

    More importantly we are looking at what makes a good college player naively. You HAVE to adjust for talent around a player, program, and scheme.

    For example a QB that takes a joke program with minimal talent to respectability (say a pre New Years bowl game) while producing pretty good numbers should be considered a better college player than the QB with great numbers on totally stacked teams on a perennial power.

    Basically right now we determine goodness in absolute terms and not relative. It should be based on something like a reality minus expectations framework, and expectations are created by the team you are on.

    It's not perfect but it is getting there. It describes why Colin Kaepernick, RG3, and Russell Wilson succeeded whereas Tim didn't. Relative to expectations those 3 were arguably better college quarterbacks than Tim.

    But even still it's a numbers game. There just isn't that many NFL jobs.
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    Tebow was considered anything but a "can't miss first rounder" coming out of UF.

    It was a huge reach for Denver to take him when they did.
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    In Tebow's rookie year Tebow had to play a full playbook the last three games of the year and did just fine. Why don't you leave this discussion for those of us that actually saw all of Tebow's games while he was at Denver... and those of us that saw first hand what the coaches and Elwuss were trying to do to him. Including their (coaches and Elwuss') leaks to the press about having to dumb-down the playbook. All of that was for more negative press that the organization needed to complete their riddance of Tebow.

    Anything to help turn the fans against Tebow also helped their suck-for-Luck sabotage.
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    It's the same as a first string offense going against a first string defense. Tebow had scrubs running routes and scrubs blocking for him too.
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    Not if he can complete passes.
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    If you define successful by winning percentage and TD/Int percentage and %of TD's scored when getting a first down in the red zone and fourth quarter/ot come from behind win percentage (as every other QB's success is defined) then clearly he developed his skills just fine to become a successful NFL QB. If pleasing leftist anti-God talking heads in media and pop culture is how you define success, you're dead on, he never developed those skills.[/QUOTE]

    Leftist anti-God? LOL. Are you trying to mock typical Tebow fans or do you honestly believe this?
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    He completed less than 50% of his passes in those last 3 games of his rookie year. That's not "doing just fine." That's borderline bad.

    I saw all of the games Tim played in Denver. And although he had his great moments, I wasn't overly impressed with him.
    Neither were the Broncos, apparently.
    Or the Jets.
    Or the Patriots.
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    A lot of rookies did worse and never got the scrutiny Tebow got. But, He was a winner. That's the stat that matters the most. Their defense was the 24 worst scoring in the league, so it wasn't the defense that won games.

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