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    And the part that says just how many working age American are not working. :rolleyes:
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    And all those reaching retirement age are certainly replacements for all those immigrant workers in the fields and others doing hard labor. :rolleyes:
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    From the graph:

    (Seas) Not in Labor Force
    Labor force status: Not in labor force
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
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    Maybe as part of Social Security reform we can require 5 years of field labor for anyone under 70 before they can qualify for their Social Security checks. Why should I pay so some old person can sit at home watching Matlock, when he could be out providing a valuable service to society.
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    Yes, Not in labor force, not unemployed. I'm glad you finally figured that out.
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    And again, this counts all persons over age 16, which currently includes over 47.8 million Americans 65 or over, with that number expected to reach 98 million by 2060. No a great labor pool if you are looking for replacing immigrant labor.
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    That's equates to 'not working' or 'unemployed'...
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    Also means unemployed by choice (homemaker), student, and retired. Which is why U3 and U6 numbers are a better representative.
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    No, it doesn't. My mom is in her 70s. She is out of the labor force, but she is not unemployed. She's retired.
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    That's not WORKING AGE! Do you understand that difference?
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    And you understand that labor participation force counts all persons age 16 or over ,include those not WORKING AGE!
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    That graph only shows working age? Because it only says "16 years and over", and 70 is over 16.
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    It stops at retirement age.,.. or at least those that can be retired but that are NOT getting SS benefits.
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    It does? I'm just not seeing that.

    https://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm

    Not in the labor force

    Persons who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force. This category includes retired persons, students, those taking care of children or other family members, and others who are neither working nor seeking work. Information is collected on their desire for and availability for work, job search activity in the prior year, and reasons for not currently searching. See also Labor force and Discouraged workers.
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    @Gatorrick22 is wrong. Labor participation rate counts all persons over age 16. And there are three reasons why it is climbing. 1) Aging population. 2) Less women in workforce 3) More full time students/college students. But people retiring is the biggest reason why the rate has dropped for the last decade:

    However, Fujita concluded, “Almost all of the decline (80 percent) in the participation rate since the first quarter of 2012 is accounted for by the increase in nonparticipation due to retirement. This implies that the decline in the unemployment rate since 2012 is not due to more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force.”
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    The Bureau of Labor Statistics says you're wrong...
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    No, the BLS says I'm right.

    Persons who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force. This category includes retired persons, students, those taking care of children or other family members, and others who are neither working nor seeking work. Information is collected on their desire for and availability for work, job search activity in the prior year, and reasons for not currently searching. [emphasis added]​

    And here's more, from the BLS itself from a few years ago.

    The age distribution of the population can strongly influence the overall percentage of the population that is not in the labor force. Chart 1 shows the percent distribution of the civilian noninstitutional population by major age group in 2004 and 2014. For nearly seven decades, the aging of the large “baby-boom” generation—people born between 1946 and 1964—has had a profound effect on the population’s size and composition. In recent years, the baby-boom generation has moved into the 55-years-and-older age group, which historically has had a large proportion of individuals who were not in the labor force. The oldest baby boomers—those born in 1946—reached age 58 in 2004, and in that year people 55 years and older made up 28 percent of the total population. By 2014, people 55 years and older accounted for 34 percent of the total population. The aging of the population has put upward pressure on the percentage of the overall population that is not in the labor force.
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    From 2004 to 2014, the number of people who were not working due to retirement rose 1.5%. Those numbers have likely risen in the past 4 years as again, 10,000 people a day reach retirement age.
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