I think the biggest surprise for me concerning the IRS stuff and the NSA stuff

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    is the liberals on too hot supporting it and supporting obama on it- I would have expected them to come out howling at how big brother was snooping- who woulda ever thought they would be for it-but based upon everything Iread on here and in the LMSM-they support it and support obama for doing it

    who woulda thunk
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    Just starting with the IRS. Who has supported it?
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    The poll about this was revealing. Most people support "their" guy more than they support an abstract idea.
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    The cult of personality strikes again. US government = biggest cult in world history.

    Are you new here, Bill?
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    You were surprised by this reaction? Those who are blindly partisan, on both sides, will continue to be blindly partisan even when their side does what the other side was doing, or when the other side does what their side was doing. Nothing new to see here.
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    how many pubs supported Bush and the patriot act?
    Now that it's a democrat people on the right that did support it now are against it.
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    From what I can determine almost no one regardless of political philosophy or party affiliation supports the IRS decision to single out tea party applicant for 501(c)(4) status. The difference is that conservatives are absolutely convinced that Obama must have been behind the decision despite the total absence of evidence supporting that assertion. As far as the NSA surveillance is concerned, a number of liberals have expressed opposition to the practice as have some tea party conservatives. The majority of mainstream politicians from both parties continue to support the surveillance programs or are withholding judgement. Interestingly, most conservatives did not object to the NSA surveillance programs when they were originally conducted by the Bush administration without the formality of search warrants. At least the Obama administration went through the formality of obtaining search warrants from the FISA court.
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    nothing has been proven that there is a link to the WH with the IRS....and it's not like they were not approving groups that should have been approved...an office used words to query that they found were coming in at a high rate...70% which didn't meet the legal requirements

    as for the NSA, i welcome the debate of what is considered too intrusive, but the fact that it just just a continuation of what was before, is hard to get overly excited about....we would have to be really naive to think that Government would give up a tool like this unless it was deemed unconstitutional
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    You summed it up nicely, but your summary will be ignored by people like g8orbill. They'll continue to see what they want to see and nothing more or less.
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    EXACTLY like YOU DID when yore boy Bush STARTED the whole mess....:sick:

    what a hypercrit...

    BOTH parties are FULLY aware of what's going on...they BOTH voted or OK'd way BACK when...

    Much like THE banking crisis was brought by Clinton...cRAT/Grahm...pugster...1998....repeal of Glass/Stegal...
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    Personally, I think the IRS guy that came up with the idea to "screen" for tea party names should have gotten a bonus or at least a pat on the back. He/she was doing his job and found an efficient way to find questionable applications.

    Political groups shouldn't have been getting 501(c)(4) exemptions! Period, end of story.

    The only scandal is that -

    1) Ultimately none of them got denied.
    2) Liberal groups weren't being scrutinized.
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    Bill, you started this thread claiming that liberals on Too Hot supported the IRS targeting conservative groups. Are you really claiming that's true?
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    It does appear to be OK to support bullying and spying on Americans, if someone else supported it in the past.
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    i don't think it's even that liberal groups weren't being scrutinized, as they were, it's that they weren't all using a similar name that made it easy to query

    i have no doubt they would have done the same thing, given the testimony that we've heard from a self-described "conservative-republican"
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    The difference:

    The PA was sold as seeking to target terrorists.

    It was resisted by teh potential for abuse--(mostly by the left).

    The IRS case in particular, isn't potential abuse--it is clear abuse--with no pretense at targeting terrorists--just straight up targeting US citizens, for political gains.

    It's not hypocrisy to complain about actual abuse of authority after the fact, simply because the potential for abuse was latent, and foreknown.


    It is however, hypocritical to complain to the high-heavens about the potential for abuse....then to sit qujetly by--nay, endorse ACTUAL abuse of authority...simply because it is politically expedient for your cause, that the abuse was directed at your foe.

    IMHO.
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    no evidence has been shown that the IRS situation was politically "directed at a foe"

    :no:
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    ^^^what???

    All the targeted parties were of a consistent political bent--conservative.

    If this were Bush II/Cheney, and teh targeted orgs were liberal advocacy groups, you'd surely be signing an entirely different tune.
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    You mean, other than directing against conservative groups? Who, by definition, are foes to Obama? You mean, other than directing it against Jewish groups that publicly expressed disagreement with Obama's views on Israel? You mean, other than directing it against Pro-Life groups, that are, by definition hostile to Obama's views on abortion in general and are appalled at his views on late term abortions. You mean other than all that.

    My goodness man, use the brain the good Lord gave you.
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    i don't give a chit about "what if"

    testimony came from self-described conservative workers of the IRS that set up the query based on the fact that so many applications were coming in based on the same names

    there is no evidence showing this was democrats looking to hurt republicans

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