I must be blind.....no Ferguson thread?

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    Obviously wasn't there and I have no way of knowing. As far as data goes I know that we teach that you can expect the average man to be able to close a distance of 11 feet before a trained person can draw his weapon and fire. I know the officers weapon was drawn but it gives you a time space estimate. With the number of hits and their placement (all on the subjects right so the left for the shooter) I think he probably had a 50-75% hit ratio. 35 feet equals roughly 10 meters which would be a pretty easy shot on a man that size, without the obvious situational difficulties. So if I had to call it I would say 10-12 shots. I think he probably had to start shooting at close to the 35 feet or potentially beyond; as a majority of the wounds were superficial it is possible that the subject was able to keep moving forward rapidly after being hit.
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    Which line of logic?

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    If people behaved better there would be less use of excessive force against the everyday citizenry. At the end of the day part of the LEOs charter is to protect the rights of the American citizen as well as the interests of the state.
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    Just to clarify, you disagree with the idea that if people behave better then we will see a reduction in irrational responses?

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    I disagree with the notion that you can place responsibility for police actions back on the citizen at large.
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    This is among the least objectional things happening there.
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    But the relationship exists whether we like it or not. If your friend did not get bit by the dog, you would be less likely to shoot other yellow dogs. Identifying that the dog's owner could have helped to create a better situation by not allowing his dog to bite your friend does not justify your irrational reaction to it, but it does put some of the responsibility on that dog's owner. Why? Because better action on his part could have led to less irrational behavior on your part (not to mention the more direct violation of the rights of the person who was bit).

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    I brought the 35 feet scenario and the 2-3 feet scenario up several pages back and no one responded. My question was and is if the shooting took place as described, WHY is there no car within 50 feet on any of the cell phone video that was taken by witnesses and bystanders?

    Also it was said from the story coming from the officers friend that a shot was fired while there was a struggle for the gun, the gun was still on the officers hip. So shouldn't there be a bullet hole in the car? Something that can be easily confirmed.
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    you are reading it wrong, not shot( in )the back, but the Prof has said that the wound to the arm could (one of two scenarios) have come (from behind) or could have come from MB having his arm raised and facing DW.

    the reality is they can't tell from the autopsy
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    I didn't mean shot in the back but rather shot from behind. I should have phrased that differently. One think we know for sure if there was a physical encounter. I also believe there was a round fired from inside the car.
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    no worries, I just edited my other post about the round in the car. Should be easy to confirm.
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    If you watch the first 1-2 mins of this video it shows the closest car to the body, at the feet end of MB. the SUV at the head of MB is 50 feet or more away

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    I'm not sure, Wes is using a distance of 35 feet. I'm not sure what this does tell us.
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    I remember pointing out where the car was after one of the videos you posted, but I may have missed this.

    The first video you posted (whenever that was), you can see the car to the left (mid-size SUV looking vehicle). Any other videos that don't show the car...why would they? Especially if the shooting didn't take place too close to the car.

    If the vehicle is not at the head end, it could be behind the bushes, or it could have been moved. The vehicle may not have been relevant to the fatal shooting.

    Bullet could have gone through open window or open door, but other than that, I would agree gunshot residue in the car somewhere and/or on Brown's clothes could be useful information.

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    Just noticed a "that's what they said" from the person shooting the video. I wonder how many people surrounding that scene are going on "what they said." Who is "they" and how was "their" knowledge acquired?

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    BREAKING NEWS

    Officer was severely beaten almost unconscious by Michael Brown prior to the shooting

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...racture-before-shooting-michael-brown-report/

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    why is that funny shade?
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    Yeah I don't get that
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    If what is being reported, the shooting took place 35 feet or closer (if we are to believe MB bum rushed DWand fell 2-3 feet in front of him) to the car.

    If the gun went off in the car would not that make it part of the crime scene and if they moved the car wouldn't that disturb and taint the scene?
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    Wasn't it in 2012, prior to pres election that a 13 yr old white boy was badly burned by 2 black teens and told "that's cuz you a white boy". Wasn't that in Mizzou?

    Did obamao, holder, the FBI, DOJ, NCAA, NAACP, NSA, CIA, Trilateral Commission, Fed Res, et al weigh in?

    Just wondering.
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