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Discussion in 'Swamp Gas' started by gator7gh, Jun 29, 2013.
He's responsible for 2/3 of football titles at UF for starters.
Yep and it all ends there.
....for starters. He maybe responsible for other things as well, good and bad, but Hernandez's behavior ain't one of them.
Like I said he's responsible for nothing. At least he gave that evil Jeremy Fowler a stern talking to.
You can blame Meyer for the 2010 season, for hiring Addazio, or for leaving Muschamp with a bare roster because he had a direct relationship to all of those things. Of course, I disagree with all three of those claims, but at least there is some causal relationship that you can debate. But this is silly. Hernandez came in with some serious personal issues, they mushroomed over time and caused the staff much consternation, and they only got worse during his time with the Patriots because of the money, independence, being back in his home environment, etc. It is a terrible situation and, if Hernandez is as guilty as the initial evidence makes him seem, then it really is his fault and no one else's.
I posted when all this went down that I don't blame Urban for Hernandez. Just this thread is silly, portraying him as some victim or poor ole fella. The man is a charlatan. The guy plays that family/this is my son card relentlessly. Great coach though.
No one blames Meyer for Hernandez being a murderer.
But two of his players dying, one stealing a dead girl's credit card, 31 arrests, 3 of his players getting suspended for substance abuse in the league, 2 more being disciplinary suspensions including Rainey who got booted, and the self admitted mess he left in 2010 all paints a picture of a coach who either recruited the wrong kids or was woefully inadequate relative to his peers in how to deal with problem guys.
Urban admitted the program was broken, even he knows he failed in this regard. AHern, while responsible for his own actions, is a symbol of a much larger pattern.
Stephen Garcia would like to say hi
Meyer was also responsible for the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.
No doubt Urban is a great coach but as a person? FACADE. Snakeoil salesman. He was our snakeoil guy but it doesn't change that.
So would Fred Taylor and Reidel Anthony.
Yet Meyer didn't have the same problems at any of this other stops. Maybe we'll see what happens at Ohio State. Tons of players swear by him, from Tebow to Spikes to Murphy to Baker to Sanders to any number of kids who credited Meyer with saving their lives or their careers or their educations. Some dislike him, some took advantage of his approach, some failed miserably under him. It happens. Blaming Meyer for Hornsby's actions is about as legitimate as blaming him for the accident that killed the walk-on in the first place.
In the final analysis, it could have been that Meyer was so desperate for success at Florida given the fanbase's increasing reputation as the most volatile and least forgiving in the nation (insert whichever example floats your boat: Fireronzook.com, painting "Thank You Dallas Baker" on the 13th St. Wall after the 04 Tennessee loss, Keg-gate with Taurean Charles, Zook's blow up with the fraternity) that he sold his soul to appease Florida fans. Lots of good that did him.
Whatever. I haven't posted about him in probably a year and I am done now. I am thrilled with Muschamp and the direction of the program, on and off the field. For the most part, our fanbase hated Meyer from the outset (again, insert your reason: spread offense, didn't throw it deep, didn't run up the score, didn't recruit FL or the SE enough, didn't make injury information public, closed practices, whatever) and waited for any opportunity to criticize him or lay some blame at his feet for anyone else's indiscretions. Some of my closest friends, people I would consider level-headed and thoughtful, get whipped up into an invective-laden frenzy speaking about Meyer. I don't get it and I never will. Everything I know privately about Meyer speaks to a man laudable and respectable--nothing like the image that gets portrayed by some bitter fans. They treat him worse that Zook.
Best of luck with all that. The sheer animosity, which then gets shifted toward any discussion of the current staff and team, has made these boards intolerable.
Germans? Pearl Harbor. Hmmmmm. I think Belushi had something to say about that. Was Meyer in Animal House? We did come back at the battle of Midway and kicked some A**.
We live in an anti-responsibility era. The Gators are becoming the Raiders of the NFL (of old). Long live Al Davis and his motto, "Just win baby!"
That's almost as irresponsible as saying he has all the blame. With the good comes the bad. To build a winner, he looked the other way at times.
I'm assuming that everyone even slightly blaming Meyer for this, is calling for Boom to suspend Morrison through the midseason point right? Otherwise its just more butt hurt posturing from fans.
Lets not forget "Commitment to Excellence"
Is anyone really blaming the Cryer or is it all tongue and cheek?