How's that Middle East peace thing working out, Trump?

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    If by "peace," Trump meant renewed fighting with a new purpose, congratulations! Most of the world hates this action. Even some in Israel are saying it's the wrong time. Is this just an early Christmas present for the arms dealers? This is a horrible decision in my opinion, with possibly profound consequences.

    Why now, Trump? Why? Is it just because you're so mentally defective that you can't say "United States," without slurring?

    RAMALLAH, West Bank — Palestinian protesters battled Israeli soldiers on Thursday in Jerusalem, Ramallah and other places in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, one day after President Trump announced that his administration would recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    The Palestinian Authority called for a general strike in Palestinian cities. In Gaza, the Islamist Hamas movement urged its followers to ignite a third intifada, or uprising, against Israel. Shops in Jerusalem’s Old City were shuttered.

    On the edge of the Palestinian city of Ramallah, Israeli forces fired dozens of rounds of tear gas and stun grenades at hundreds of Palestinian protesters gathering to air their anger over Trump’s statement.


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    When you believe the UN > the messiah, not much good will follow.
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    Most in DC are mentally defective or bribed beyond comprehension. Trump was just stating the obvious to a bunch of snowflakes.
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    The western part of Jerusalem has been Jewish since before the 1948 birth of Israel. The Knessett, Supreme Court and Prime Minister's offices are in western Jerusalem. Western Jerusalem is not in dispute in any purported final status negotiation.

    So, ask why non-Jews are so up in arms about the United States moving its embassy to an undisputed part of Israel? Why is western Jerusalem different than Tel Aviv? Holy sites are not affected by the relocation of the embassy there.

    Their objection is simply to Jews being anywhere in Israel. That should be evident by the reaction to moving the embassy there.

    In 1943-1944, the survival of Jews worldwide was at stake. By 1948, Jews had (and still have) their land. After a 2000 year exile. Who would have thought it possible in 1943-1944.

    Jerusalem will not be divided. It has always been, and will always be, the eternal capital of the Jewish people.
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    Give Trump credit for one accomplishment. His decision to formally recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has resulted in many countries coming together to express opposition. It's not everyday that Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Jordan are in agreement, not to mention Bolivia, Egypt, France, Italy, Senegal, Sweden, United Kingdom and Uruguay which have called for the UN Security Council to convene to discuss the subject.
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    Western Jerusalem is the capital of Israel in fact. Formal recognition solely by the US accomplishes little other fomenting violence and alienating Arab countries that would otherwise be on friendly terms with the US. One of Trump's few real accomplishments has been improving the relationship between the Sunni Arab countries and the US. This decision, which primarily symbolic could very well undue or at least diminish Trump's accomplishments with respect to improved relations.
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    Did trump’s announcement say west jerusalem? This is being viewed widely as the US backing Israel’s claim to the city, and Trump has said or done nothing to counter that.
    We are no longer viewed as a credible broker by one billion people on one side, which means we will have far less say in any final deal (not that there will be one now).
    We are also putting Americans around the world in danger as this will be taken as close to an act of war by many, we are putting our Arab allies in an even tougher position, and all for what? There was zero immediate need or benefit in doing this or us. It accomplishes zero strategic goals for us, other than to make Israel happy against our best interests...which is fairly normal course of affairs. No country had ever been bent over by a lesser ally in world history than we have by them, it’s embarrasing as much as it is dangerous. Israel depends on us for their survival, and the way we cave to their every requests makes it appear the opposite is true.
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    Israel has also developed closer relations with Sunni Arab countries. The existential threat posed by Iran has moved the Sunni Arab countries closer to both countries.
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    Didn't congress pass a law requiring this move some time ago?
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    And Pocahontas supported it.
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    Trump is just playing to his base. Those sorts of people don't want a "deal." They would prefer to see the US support Israel unconditionally against the Muslims than play the part of a neutral party.

    Sure, it doesn't solve any problems, but makes them feel good.
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    The United States did say that the embassy will be located in West Jerusalem. If you think that the United States gets little from its alliance with Israel, you are mistaken.

    Let the UN Security Council meet to discuss this. Who cares? At least the world's anti-Jewishness will be in the open.

    Every country in the world puts its embassy in the capital of the host country. Put an embassy in Israel's capital, and there are condemnations and riots. Or, as you say, it is "close to an act of war." The only reason for that it is perceived as an "act of war" is a belief that Jews do not belong anywhere in Jerusalem, which means Israel, and that locating an embassy in Jerusalem is tantamount to an invasion.

    The prevailing anti-semitism is so obvious it reeks.

    I do not like Trump. But, this was the right thing to do. The reaction just shows how much the rest of the world hates Jews.
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    As as Jew, I would rather see a meaningful peace between Israel and Palestine than this kind of meaningless, politically-motivated gesture from Trump. I guess that makes me hate myself?
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    Just moving the US embassy ... and it basically allows waivers for security reasons which every president has issued including Trump.
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    Why did we move the US Embassy in Germany from Bonn to Berlin?
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    Cause Berlin was the dejure capital of the FRG.
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    Yes, in 1995. But they also gave the President waiver power.

    Frankly, I don't get the benefit of us doing this. No other other country has an embassy there, like ours, they had all moved to Tel Aviv. Will any other countries move back to Jerusalem with the US?

    Frankly I don't give a damn where our Israel embassy is located. I just don't get why we'd want to make a move like this that has controversy attached to it. Seems like it's just about poking the finger in the eye of the Palestinians. Not sure what the US gets out of it. Some people see it as giving up a bargaining chip for nothing in return.
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    That's low. Equating anti Israel with anti jewishness is low. One of my best friends who's jewish & lost 2 family members in the holocaust believes Israel is the 2nd worst thing to happen to jews & it's a very cheap shot to say that that makes him anti jewish.

    There are many jews that argue that Israel is anti jewish. I suspect you know this.
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    The reaction, including from most of our allies, isn’t anti aemitism, it’s fear that this was a destabilizing act that had no strategic purpose behind it. There isn’t a country in the world who has supported this move - as was said above, when you can unite the entire Arab world, France, Germany,turkey, Russia etc against us, maybe we need to rethink the plan. It was a dumb move to placate a small but loud constituency.
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