How The NRA Built A Massive Secret Database Of Gun Owners

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    To be honest, there isn't even a good argument presented in the OP.

    The NRA isn't the government, I mean, it's really pretty simple.
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    The NRA doesn't have a standing army or multiple militarized agencies that could, at some point in the future, try to remove arms by force from the citizens. That said, I'd rather them not have that database given what we know about the NSA and its data gathering practices.
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    Yet. :ninja:

    Lots of entities hoard data for a variety of reasons. I think what seems to get missed is that this data is a commodity and has value to other entities (private or gov't), who can obtain it legally by $ or illegally by other means.
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    Somehow my name wound up on a number of fishing databases.

    These databases are SECRET!

    My name was placed on the databases WITHOUT MY CONSENT!

    I get mailings (solicitations, legislative updates, etc.) from organizations of which I am NOT A MEMBER!

    Ohhh, the HORROR!
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    A registry already exists. By law, firearm sales to individuals from licensed dealers are documented on ATF form 4473, and have been for a long time.
    http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

    And since you apparently are under the incorrect understanding, the transaction requires that the buyer pass a background check, and has for a long time.
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    They did a background check on me when I bought my Pistol. Furthermore when I got my Concealed Carry permit they also fingerprinted me and ran me through the FBI data base. So they already do the things you mention.
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    If you believe in the black helicopter conspiracy theories like "the government is coming to take your gun" then certainly you wouldn't want ANYONE to have a master list because the government could just confiscate it from them.

    You don't want the list to exist at all

    The government will go door-to-door to take your guns but it wouldn't take the NRA list from them?

    I guess that makes sense if you really believe in that BS argument at all
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    The NRA does not have the powers of the IRS, does not collect data by electronic means, does not store data collected by electronic means and does not issue subpoenas for documents from news organizations.
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    ditto
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    what large agency doesnt have a constituent data base? talk to me about the obama data base
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    The NRA is doing the same thing as Sears, Amazon, the political parties, and a variety of other retailers and organizations to promote their business and be able to send messages to potentially interested parties.

    If they have illegally obtained any information, then tell us about it. Unless you've "opted out", then your name and address info is for sale to most anyone who wants to buy it from businesses, credit card companies, subscription lists, etc.

    Otherwise, this story is a total non-starter.
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    scary part is the NSA has probably already hacked the NRA database
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    No, no, see, what you don't understand is . . . well, see, guns are bad, right . . . and see, if nobody should know about who has them, I guess . . . er, . . . but if they do, what's wrong with the government knowing about them . . . sorta . . . kinda . . . also ??

    Hey, you guys shouldn't have any problem with that, right ? :nervous smile:
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    2nd this. The NRA is too entrenched in right wing politics. The Second Amendment Foundation is a much better organization for those who want to focus on gun rights and not de facto support of the GOP.

    http://www.saf.org/
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    So they don't deny its existence, just how they gather the data. Doesn't sound so secret to me.
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    Somewhat related tip: always turn location services off on your phone before you take fish pictures on the water with your phone.

    You'd be surprised what can be pulled out of the meta data on those pictures if you send them around via email, or post them online somewhere. :ninja:
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    Or just tell your phone never to include location data in your pictures
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    Yeah....that too! :grin:
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    Come to think of it, I know exactly where you are in your avatar. Been there, and tried to do that !
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    Sounds like data mining for marketing/lobbying. It's not just gun owners but apparently a group of people own, appear interested in owning, or want to fire guns.

    I don't own a gun but I don't see anything wrong with this for a private entity.

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