How pubs can fight their way out of the corner

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    interesting op-ed

    well not to you libs but to us TRUE conservatives

    http://www.caintv.com/how-reid-and-obama-put-disarme

    from the article:

    If Republicans want to win the messaging war, they need to start by a) recognizing who the enemy is; and b) recognizing how to take victory away from them.

    There are three enemies: 1. The Democrats; 2. The mainstream media. 3. The culture. Obama, Reid and Pelosi push nonsense. The media celebrates the nonsense. Celebrities and activists attack critics of the nonsense. If Republicans really want to win the messaging war, they need to attack all three, relentlessly. I'm not talking about the lame approach of trying to win a given day's "24-hour news cycle," and I'm certainly not talking about Boehner's incessant whining that Obama won't work with him. That sort of crap is for losers, and it's also playing by the other side's rules.

    Winning means declaring all-out war on all three, and not worrying that it will get you bad press, or that you'll alienate whoever. It means that constantly using the resources at your disposal - your own social media feeds, your own press people, conservative-leaning media like this site and others, your direct access to your constituents - to constantly and effectively hammer home the facts about what Obama's policies are doing to the nation. The slow growth. The rising debt. The high unemployment. The soaring insurance premiums. The missed energy opportunities. You have to show people in real, factual terms the trouble this is causing the nation.

    And you have to recognize where the greatest opportuntiy is to soften up Democrats' support, and that's with the 20 percent of the electorate that calls itself independent. These people are not ideological, but they can be persuaded by facts. They will believe it if you prove with facts that Obama's policies are not working. They will be open if you show them Republicans have better ideas. But they also listen to the mainstream press, so you can't allow the press to enjoy unchallenged credibility it does not deserve.
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    Exactly... screw the opinion policy polls. That's just stupid and vastly overrated in the middle of the nonvoting period.

    Those polls are invented by the press to help the Dems... so you know they'll be completely biased towards their BS!
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    I agree and thanks for sharing.
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    Sounds like what "true conservatives" are already doing.
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    Sounds like an outstanding strategy...if your goal is to lose the House.
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    The only thing getting the GOP closer to losing the House is their continued behavior implying that they would be happier if the 2010/2012 Congressional race turnout would just stop pestering them. They are welcome to try to keep the House with the people who still had any belief in that party in 2006 and 2008.
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    Not going to happen because it's not a national election... it's one district at a time. And this is why the opinion polls should not matter to any of them. Not in the midterms.

    The Pubs fell for these stupid Dem controlled polls the last time. I'm sure some of the smarter ones already figured it out. Cruz knew this all along.
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    if that is the case rjd-then I guess more Americans want the soclialism-which is sad
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    Then the rest of us just try to survive and hope there are enough to rebuild after socialism fails bloody, as it always eventually must.
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    Hasn't this "strategy" been going on for years now?

    What are talking about... just turning up the volume?
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    No...the strategy is "this time we really mean it."

    Which is why I commented the way that I did above. I think the article is correct that independents really are the key to the GOP winning more, but the way to do that is to put aside the health care law and the demagoguery for a little while. The GOP needs to focus on actually putting forth meaningful policies that can actually become law, which it can particularly use the House for. Present meaningful review of fiscal issues, rather than root for the sequester, such as farm subsidies, entitlement programs, tax policies, national defense, and immigration reform. Pass workable ideas, rather than sticking-up-my-middle-finger-at-the-Senate-and-President-despite-that-I-know-this-will-never-be-law bills and then put the Senate and President on the defensive on issues that require them to actually address the substance of them.

    Then, with those victories in hand, run on the record of dealing with a hostile Senate and President and still getting important work done for the American people. The GOP has a history of resonating with independent voters as more fiscally responsible, whether that has been borne out in the past 20 years or not. That is what independent voters want to see and that is what independent voters will reward the GOP for---responsible fiscal reform, unhinged to special interests. And if the health care law is as bad as they have made it out to be, it will be prime for GOP reform soon enough. And the GOP will then have the power to do something about it other than have one house of Congress pass DOA repeals, along with the record of showing they can successfully govern---something that is often lacking from the Dems.

    But doubling down on demagoguery, wasting time rehasing lost battles, and spouting the "I have to burn down the country to save it" mantra, is only going to get the same result, or worse, cause the loss of the House.

    But that's just my $.02. Go all in with the crappy strategy if you want, but don't be surprised when it gets worse.
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    The fact is that "workable" ideas, i.e. that operate within the status quo of political operations in DC, aren't workable, because the status quo itself is unworkable. It's outlook is as good buying real estate on Alderaan, and for the same reason.
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    Well, you either take the victories you can to do something or you put your thumb up your butt and throw tantrums about your lot in life. My suggestion is doing the former is a better strategy for future success than the latter. But if you want to advocate the latter, more power to you.
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    It seems at times that certain elements of the party are more interested in having a platform to complain about things they dislike than they are in actually being able to do anything to fix those things.

    See, e.g., trying to run off people who don't 100% agree with them, even if that person is replaced by someone who agrees with them even less and is never going to work with them. Why? As best as I can tell, because they think having someone who isn't in lockstep dilutes the message - and being loudly on message is far more important than accomplishing things. See also, upon getting elected doing little more than engaging in political theater that they are 100% certain will not actually get them to any of their goals, but that will get press coverage and provide them something on message to point at.
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    Hey, maybe they could just think, act and vote in lock step with dems, then there would just be one big happy American family
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    This is the hard part. There is growth. While the debt is rising, the rate of rise is slower, a move in the right direction. Unemployment is dropping. Those are the big ones that people care about and they are moving in the right direction.

    I would prefer a different president, but I also know that when things are moving in the right direction, it is hard to replace the party in power. The good news is that Biden is unelectable, and Hillary is old. The bad news is that the GOP seems intent on alienating independents and moderates who don't particularly like what the Democrats are doing, but really dislike what the Republicans are offering to them.
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    I see...double down on the failed strategy
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    Same thing you'll be saying 20 years from now.
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    First rule of holes: stop digging.
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    Well, the debt is a long term problem, so yeah, 20-30 years seems about right.

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