how many on here thought barrycare would work?? And try to be honest...

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    It's just really silly to try to claim that doctors and insurance companies were excluded. The AMA endorsed Obamacare. Insurance companies had a great deal of input. But I guess it works better for you to pretend that those groups weren't consulted.
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    To say the AMA endorsed Obamacare is laughable. That organization is as political at the top as they come.
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    It seems I keep hearing from the Dems that long term rates will go down. I just don't see that happening. Everyone I have talked too, including myself, have seen at least a 20% increases in premiums. This seems to be a reoccurring theme with this Administration, every failed action or policy they do will result in a positive outcome in the future. This is a very typical response from the Libs in this forum.
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    Give it more time.
    Give it more money.
    If it doesn't work it was because the (EVIL, WICKED, HATEFUL) Congress (Republicans) didn't give it enough time or money.
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    Still can't figure out if the implication in the OP was that he thought it would not work and is surprised that it is, or the opposite. I guess it doesnt matter.
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    based upon the numbers it certainly does not appear to be working
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    Exactly... no need to embellish the truth/facts... succinct and accurate.
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    Figured Obamacare would be a healthcare day of reckoning, but it had to come, sooner or later. The old system was completely unsustainable, and something had to be done. Obamacare is far from perfect, but at least it's a vehicle we can use to hopefully get costs under control.

    The truth is, health insurance costs have been skyrocketing for years. Just take a look at the chart below, from 1999 to 2009 (remember, Obama took office in Jan, 2009) that shows overall earning, inflation, and health insurance premium costs:

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    If we would have done nothing, this would have continued with no end in sight. Costs have not been contained yet, but in theory, healthcare costs will be on pace with inflation, instead of out-pacing it 3-1. The reason is before Obamacare, there were millions of uninsured not paying into the pot. But soon, even if it's just the fine being paid, the result will be a lot more premiums paid. Again, in theory this is how things should work.

    But even if it doesn't work, again, at least we'll already have the legislation in place we can tweak to make things work.
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    Really? ... What planet are you living on??
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    Well???
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    It's working in the sense it will be a great catalyst for Single Payer which is the ultimate goal of the elite to control the peasants
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    I guess it depends of what "would work" means. In some circles, it is working just like they wanted it to. And for all the angry folks, it is so bad that...we voted them all back into office. This is who we are now.
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    There is no question that something had to be done to rein in the cost of health care. Obamacare does little or nothing to reduce the cost of health care--it only brings more money in to support health care. If 90% of the people eligible for Obamacare are opting for the penalty instead of the insurance, then Obamacare is essentially a tax on the poor. An extremely regressive tax, and a tax that most poor people cannot afford to pay. For the 10% that opted for the insurance, they now have insurance that most of them can't afford to use. Most poor people could not afford the deductible even if it was only $1,000 per year.

    My solutions:

    1) Tort reform is not the complete answer to solving the health care cost issue, but it is a good start. It would be far easier to put the legislation together and get Congress to agree to it than Obamacare, and it would be far easier to implement. Getting the excessive legal costs out of health care would go a long way to reducing defensive medicine, not to mention debilitating judgments against hospitals.

    2) The next step would be to target doctors that use their new MRI machine (or whatever new machine they just bought) every time a patient comes in with a headache or a cold. You have to prosecute this as fraud and put a few so-called doctors in prison. The rest will get the message and straighten up.

    3) The third step would be to reduce fraud in Medicare and Medicaid. One the best ways to do this is to increase the co-pay for seniors whenever they visit the doctors. It won't be popular, of course, but it needs to be done. Many seniors are on huge numbers of pills and spend a lot of time with their doctors because it doesn't cost them that much (and some seniors are lonely and just want to talk to someone). As the cost for something approaches zero, the demand for it tends to approach infinity. Encourage seniors to get exercise (for example, persuade fitness centers to offer them reduced rates for visiting in the mornings, when the place is almost empty).

    4) The final step towards reduced costs in health care is to reform school lunches and education about health and nutrition. Take the Coke machines out of the student areas of school, take hamburgers, pizzas, french fries, cake and other unhealthy things off the menu. They can eat that crap at home. Spend a little more on fruits, vegetables, baked chicken, fish, whole grains, etc. If the kids don't like it, let them starve or bring in food from home. Make physical education mandatory for grades K-11, and make it every day. Teach children about health and nutrition in all their science classes, and make science classes mandatory for K-12. Geology and astronomy don't do children any good if they don't understand how their own body works and they get diabetes before college. Spending a little more on healthy food in school is a lot cheaper than fixing the results of bad habits later on. Children should not be punished because their parents are too stupid to know any better.

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