How Hip-Hop Failed Black America

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    The ones who can do it free style are amazing. They know the language better than most of their critics do.
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    Just because they are wordsmiths doesn't mean what they produce is music.
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    I'm not going to debate opinion
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    Well believe me the old blues guys had some pretty dirty songs. They were at the least sometimes a little more clever in disguising what it was they were singing about in the early blues songs

    Stavin Chain by Lil Johnson:
    Back your horse out my stable, back him out fast
    I got myself another jockey, get yourself another mare
    Now, you can't ride, honey, you can't ride this train
    I'm the chief engineer, I'm gonna run it like Stavin' Chain

    Ruth Brown's If I can't sell it I'll keep sitting on it:
    If I can't sell it, keep sitting on it
    Before I give it away
    You've got to buy, don't care how much you want it
    I mean just what I sayJust feel that nice old bottom built for wear or tear
    I really hate to part with such a lovely chair
    If I can't sell it, keep sitting on it
    Before I'll give it away

    If I can't sell it, I'll keep sitting on it
    Before I'll give it away
    You've got to buy, don't care how much you want it
    I mean just what I say

    When you want something good you've got to spend your jack
    I guarantee you will never want your money back
    If I can't sell it, I'll keep sitting on it
    Before I'll give it away

    But even in 1938 they could be as dirty as any hip hopper (Jelly Roll Morton)



    And so forth
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    That's pretty nasty no doubt but again Ive never heard anything quite like it and I have indulged in more of the popular blues. Never heard of the guy, wut ya got from the big dogs?
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    You never heard of Jelly Roll Morton? He was a pretty big dog in his day.
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    Not at all
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    Not trying to sound dickish but if you've never heard of Jelly Roll Morton your blues exposure may be limited. I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm wrong.
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    These hip Hoppers could not kiss the shoes of the likes of BB King, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker and the like. I've not heard these artists degrade women
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    I'm sure I can throw some names at you of areas of music you know and say the same
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    BB kings ode to underage girls.. “she's a sweet little angel. Love when she spreads her wings"
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    No. 1 song on the hip-h0p charts. enter at your own risk:

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    Love Muddy and Hooker. Howlin' Wolf, Albert King, Little Walter ...
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    Not even close to b!tches and ho's
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    that's where I heard it, but turns out it goes back to Blind Blake and is probably based on a real Delia in Savannah. I pick a little and started playing after hearing Johnny's version. But then it started to creep me out and I quit doing it.
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    It's sounds creepy as hell
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    Perhaps I should comb over with a fine tooth come some the blues I listen to
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    So you're saying a chess records box set would look great under the Christmas tree

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